EVE General Discussion

I find it funny that there are people whining that there's not enough stuff in low and null to shoot at.

There's plenty of stuff in low and null to shoot at, unfortunately it also wants to shoot stuff too. In short: You don't want fights you just want free targets.

No one is going to go to low and null to fulfill that purpose, try shooting each other instead.

Shut down the gates, detach them and let null drift away.
Leave worm holes as the only connection.

Make a new null and try again.
Eve needs new territory that isn't already staked out and owned.
They got it locked down with pitbulls guarding the gates.

People might go if there was opportunities that they actually wanted.
New territory = new opportunity.. with different mechanics.. try something new.

What.. there isn't enough space?

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YOU NEED THE NOVA BOMB TO SOLVE THIS !

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I've often wondered why this game has become so incredibly boring to play.
I've been playing since 2006, Hisec, Low, and Null, and the same old tired arguments keep cropping up to suggest that CCP needs to destroy gameplay for one group to give another some fun.
To the Null alliances. Not fun in 0.0 anymore? You have only yourself to blame. The entire environment there was designed for YOU to build your own Valhalla, Hell, whatever.
You chose to build a sh**house to live in. Because you are stupid.
You have all the best ores, you have all the best rats, you have officer spawns that drop incredibly pricey items. You have moons that actually sh** isk into your greedy mouths. You run bots 23hrs a day with absolutely no intervention by CCP (don't even try to argue with me on this point, I've been there seen that). You have the right to shoot anything you want without Concord blowing you up (if you even have the balls to pull the trigger and not run).
You have all this, and still you sit in your ship, in station (waiting for hours for a fleet to form up because your titan pilots got called to supper by mommy) crying about how good the mission runners and miners have it in hisec. Of course you try to make it seem that it's not hurting your feelings by uttering the predictable "fu** carebears" statement about a thousand times, but we can feel it, we know, Null is boring as hell.
Maybe you should stop stealing ships from the noobs you recruit. Maybe there should be some compensation for their lost ships and pods when they die to protect your moon poses, stations, and botting systems.

Lowsec. Actually pretty fun, if you have friends to form up with at any given time to catch and fu** up anybody you can catch. No need to have an alliance, or corp. Just keep shooting. If you are complaining about this, just die already.

Hisec. This one is actually very funny. The large number of carebears in Hisec that don't realize that they are carebears.
If you scan down other players missions so that you can loot and salvage them, you are a carebear. There is absolutely no difference in that and mining or missioning. You are still farming.
The same goes for Hisec "PVPers". If you seek out far weaker opponents so that you can harass them to the point that they pay you to leave them alone, you are a carebear. Just farming. The argument can actually be made that you are even more of a bear because you use hisec rules to play station games to try desperately not to loose ships. And yes, I've heard plenty of you cry on comms like little bitches when your ship goes pop.

All of the bitching, and CCP's attempts to quiet it are what has ruined this game. How can anyone justify changing the very rules of time and space to make it easier for one guy to beat another? We have some ridiculous things going on in this game. You can alpha a mining ship with some of the smallest gunboats in the game. Have you ever seen a mining vehicle in real life? Pretty heavy construction. Think you could blow it up with a pistol?

How about playing the game the way you found it, the way you want to, and leave everybody else alone?

system security excepting for the noob systems (even if expanded a bit) should be directly influenced by the players.

more players, more structures more trade = higher security
more conflict, fewer people, less trade, less structures = lower sec

you have to work for your security
and the bad guys have to work for their mayhem

So, the best argument you guys have is that "it's a sandbox, let people play in it however they want to." And I agree with that; it's a very sound argument in terms of EVE online.

But when we say that we want to play in it by destroying the efforts of others, be it via ganking, warring, or other such "sociopathic" activities, you guys say "nope, that doesn't count, we need CCP to change that." Awesome hypocrisy, bros.

CCP needs to hear this.

Why CCP never comment posts like this one?

We all know why, null sec/low sec bears will start whining again and again, rage quit and cry rivers of tears blah blah blah, will have another tool to catch pown with no effort defenceless ships etc....ho w8!! Gank talos everywhere, hell yeah that's great, now they will have a new toy to learn high sec players how to play this game, awesome.

Wrong. I've never said that it's wrong destroy the efforts of others.

I only ask one thing. STOP BITCHING AND COMPLAINING TO CCP TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU AND HARDER FOR SOMEONE ELSE!
Do you realize that hulk fits have actually been nerfed because Hisec "Pirates" were getting wtfpwned by NOS fitted battle hulks? That's right, the hulk was overpowered because pathetic can flippers were being lured into ambushes in which the hulk was tackling, tanking, and NOSing the "victim" until the support group could warp in.
The can flippers cried out that an industrial ship shouldn't be able to take down their stupid fit ships with their pathetic skills and CCP responded to these complaints, and others, by nerfing the NOS.
I point this out because most of the nerfs that have come down the pike were made in direct response to ridiculous grievances. Hybrids are too powerful so lets cut the range back to the end of the muzzle. Interceptors are too fast, lets make em really slow. My skills suck and I can't point a tech I frig fitted with countermeasures like warp stabs, lets have bubbles. People are running anoms in Nullsec, lets take all of the decent rats out and feed em frigs.

"HISEC HAS THE MONOPOLY ON LOW GRADE ORE (veldspar) AND ICE!"

This one really makes me laugh. Nullsec has the best ice, same thing with the ore, but they are too lazy to protect the systems that could be mined. So they cry to CCP to stop the people who have the least in the game. Noobs and casual players. Yes! Stop the Noobs from hurting us!

If you want to be an "OWWSUM PYWET" just do it without complaining that your life is just way too hard. Stop asking that CCP make your targets softer and more numerous.
I see noobs victimized every day. Have for years. I've done it myself.
You should expect to be hazed when you are new to the club, fact of life.
But there should be a steady ruleset. Something to train and look forward to. Not planning to fly a particular fit on a particular ship only to have the laws of physics in the universe suddenly changed to make it useless. This is why people quit. Very few of the players I've seen give it up over the years were complaining that the other players were just too mean. Most of them quit because they logged into the game and found that their ship of choice, the ship to which they had dedicated all of their SP was now a floating tub of sh**.
To make it worse, CCP will occasionally admit that they've broken something with all of the fiddling about (like Nullsec). But the changes that were implemented are never reversed. THEY BREAK SOMETHING ELSE TO TAKE THE FOCUS OFF OF THE MISTAKE!. The good folks at CCP should swap places with the politicians in the US and EU. Nobody would ever suspect there was ever a change!
Stop fu**ing with the game. Let it run. If you don't like your ship, fly something else. If you don't want to ice mine in nullsec, mine in hisec. And vice versa. Just stop crying.

In part, yes, go back and look at the discussions from the time. None of the other complaints made were any more reasonable than this.
I'm trying to point out how silly CCPs responses have been to these whines. If you don't agree, no problem. But if we are going to constantly rework and balance and buff and sh** in the "sandbox", lets agree to stop calling it a "sandbox". It's not.