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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-08-31 08:00:06 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The irony of this thread is that suicide ganking has the most punishments and conciquences in EVE.

Its not the gankers fault that the victim choses not to use any of the options available to them.


No nerf to suicide ganking is good enough for the highsec player until highsec is 100% safe & PvP optional.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#42 - 2013-08-31 08:04:23 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
They should enforce the -10s can't enter 1.0 system. You shouldn't be able to board a ship you're not supposed to even enter. They should enforce punishment on the "throwaway" gank alt.


This sounds like a reasonable idea, and people who complain that eve is too easy should have no problem with this. If you act like a douchebag, you should in turn get treated like a douchebag. Especially now with the new sec for tag system I see no reason not to start enforcing poor security status consequences, -10 would ensure you have no business inside 1.0, -9 to 0.9 and so on. Meaning, they would be barred from entering secure space altogether.

But I'm also sure inconviencing these brave, brave gankers would start a flood of yarrbear tears of biblical proportions.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-08-31 08:08:35 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
-10 would ensure you have no business inside 1.0, -9 to 0.9 and so on


Basing this idea on what you've said, why bar a -10 player from 1.0 space at -10 when he's already barred at -9.0? Do you even know how security status works?

Also with the 5 minute sec ticks your suicide ganker would be back in 2 days anyway & you'd be complaining about that next.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#44 - 2013-08-31 08:15:15 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Basing this idea on what you've said, why bar a -10 player from 1.0 space at -10 when he's already barred at -9.0? Do you even know how security status works?


If low security status prevents people from jumping to a system, then no, I have not been informed of that. I know you get empire navies pursuing you, but that's kind of like someone slapping you with a fish.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#45 - 2013-08-31 08:16:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Jonathan Peak wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
I post on my main, gank on my main, & you cry on your alt, and claim something is wrong.

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Welcome to New Eden. HTFU


I think you missed his point.


How so?

Im saying miners have plenty of chance to fight back. Or industrialists. I consider them 2 groups, and the "industrialists" who mine for themselves to be quite fail.

The last one cried in eve mail, PM'ed me, had his boy pm me, hired mercs (to counter my war dec), had the mercs PM me, threatened to make this character unplayable if I didn't pay extortion, and then ran for 7 days when I fought back. I heard the point he was trying to make and found it to be laughable.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#46 - 2013-08-31 08:23:00 UTC
"Anonymity" is the key word in EVE.

No matter what you do (minus stupid), the Anonymity Cloak will keep you safe and warm, free from the consequences of your actions. The whole game is built on the definition of what is sheltered by the Anonymity Cloak and what isn't.

I cringe at the thought of the tidal wave of tears that could cause if CCP provided a mean to track agressors' accounts. You got a kill right, then you can tell who is his character with the most SP or most ISK or the oldest one, or the three.

And then go pay that char a visit.

An ARMED visit, so he thinks it twice before messing with YOUR main again.

I would pay a PLEX for the privilege... Twisted

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-08-31 08:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
All you wannabes who believe you should have a say in things...

Yes, usage of alts gives teenagers and adults with serious self esteem issues way
way too much power and way too less consequences...

...but not only do most of you have no idea how much work it is to properly play as -10 in highsec,
without alts!,
you are asking to ruin it also for those who wear their badge with pride!

If you want the problem to be resolved, stop making it so easy for peopld
to make fun of you. Stop making yourself targets. Start acting, instead of demanding!

Gankers have no natural enemy! That's not because they use alts,
that's because most people in highsec are idiots who have no sense for community!
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-08-31 08:32:25 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
"Anonymity" is the key word in EVE.

No matter what you do (minus stupid), the Anonymity Cloak will keep you safe and warm, free from the consequences of your actions. The whole game is built on the definition of what is sheltered by the Anonymity Cloak and what isn't.

I cringe at the thought of the tidal wave of tears that could cause if CCP provided a mean to track agressors' accounts. You got a kill right, then you can tell who is his character with the most SP or most ISK or the oldest one, or the three.

And then go pay that char a visit.

An ARMED visit, so he thinks it twice before messing with YOUR main again.

I would pay a PLEX for the privilege... Twisted

Yeah if we weren't anonymous, sociopathic carebears might think twice about
insulting people or throwing death threats around.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#49 - 2013-08-31 08:33:39 UTC
Solution to your problem. An unlawful kill in highsec gives you the immediate option to delcare war. While this war is active noone may leave either corp, and the aggressor cannot call in backup. Its not perfect but its the best i can come up with.
Jonathan Peak
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-08-31 08:34:40 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
How so?


After rereading your post, I think I may have mistaken your meaning. So, disregard.

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I don't agree with the entirety of the OP. Specifically, if a ganker is part of a large nullsec alliance, and runs to that alliance for protection after ganking, then I don't see the problem. That's just one of the benefits of being in a large alliance.

The use of ganking alts is a problem. Of course, the players themselves shouldn't be blamed--if such an easy out is offered by the game, then there's no good reason not to make use of that. But the OP is saying the game shouldn't allow such an easy escape from consequences, and I agree. However, I don't see a good way to change things on that front without getting rid of PLEX and strictly policing for RMT. It seems unlikely that CCP would take such a drastic measure over this issue.

But then, I'm not a game designer. Maybe CCP will think of something.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-08-31 08:36:34 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Basing this idea on what you've said, why bar a -10 player from 1.0 space at -10 when he's already barred at -9.0? Do you even know how security status works?


If low security status prevents people from jumping to a system, then no, I have not been informed of that. I know you get empire navies pursuing you, but that's kind of like someone slapping you with a fish.


You should try getting 20 people below -5.0 from a station to your target that is 4 jumps away. Not everyone makes it to the target & those that do get jammed before concord arrives due to players in Griffins & faction navies. Suicide ganking with low security status takes precise coordination & timing to be successful.

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You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#52 - 2013-08-31 08:37:46 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
Solution to your problem. An unlawful kill in highsec gives you the immediate option to delcare war. While this war is active noone may leave either corp, and the aggressor cannot call in backup. Its not perfect but its the best i can come up with.
How does that work?

Oh god.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-08-31 08:38:24 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
the aggressor cannot call in backup. Its not perfect but its the best i can come up with.


How would game mechanics be able to enforce this? Nerf friend making? If this is the best idea you can come up with then I really don't want to see your other ideas.

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Neo Hal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-08-31 09:29:11 UTC
Alts shouldn't even be allowed. One account, one avatar...period. Multiboxing shouldn't be allowed either.

All the stupid games people play with alts trying to game the system make Eve a lessor place. It undermines the integrity of the game world.

Eve players like to brag about how you can't change your name in Eve...they say things like "In Eve there are consequences". Then they log in with their alt.

Eve isn't nearly as "hardcore" as most Eve players would like to believe.

You want hardcore...

step 1) one account, one character.
step 2) no multiboxing.
step 3) get rid of PLEX.
step 4) permadeath.

If the above rules were applied then there would be true risk and 90% of the "brave" souls of nullsec would turn into carebears almost overnight. There's nothing in Eve that really requires any courage.

We need a new hardcore server that applies the above rules. Now that would be an endlessly fascinating game!
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#55 - 2013-08-31 09:38:47 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
"Anonymity" is the key word in EVE.

No matter what you do (minus stupid), the Anonymity Cloak will keep you safe and warm, free from the consequences of your actions. The whole game is built on the definition of what is sheltered by the Anonymity Cloak and what isn't.

I cringe at the thought of the tidal wave of tears that could cause if CCP provided a mean to track agressors' accounts. You got a kill right, then you can tell who is his character with the most SP or most ISK or the oldest one, or the three.

And then go pay that char a visit.

An ARMED visit, so he thinks it twice before messing with YOUR main again.

I would pay a PLEX for the privilege... Twisted

Yeah if we weren't anonymous, sociopathic carebears might think twice about
insulting people or throwing death threats around.


That would not happen because sociopathic "tear collectors" would have to think twice about causing RL suffer to a fellow player through their actions ingame.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-08-31 10:01:30 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
That would not happen because sociopathic "tear collectors" would have to think twice about causing RL suffer to a fellow player through their actions ingame.


maybe you shouldn't play a game if losing causes you real life suffering

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Stegas Tyrano
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-08-31 10:07:54 UTC
What if suicide gankers had a tracker placed on them (some concord magic) along with the kill rights (maybe account wide). That way instead of the consequences being faction police or the security status hit, players can get their revenge by fighting back.

Make it so it only works in high-sec because of concord magic.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#58 - 2013-08-31 10:08:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Andski wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
That would not happen because sociopathic "tear collectors" would have to think twice about causing RL suffer to a fellow player through their actions ingame.


maybe you shouldn't play a game if losing causes you real life suffering


Maybe you shouldn't play a game if you're afraid of sociopathic carebears. Lol

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-08-31 10:08:57 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
That would not happen because sociopathic "tear collectors" would have to think twice about causing RL suffer to a fellow player through their actions ingame.


Damn you PvE people really are crazy. But no, I really wouldn't have to worry.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-08-31 10:10:02 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Andski wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
That would not happen because sociopathic "tear collectors" would have to think twice about causing RL suffer to a fellow player through their actions ingame.


maybe you shouldn't play a game if losing causes you real life suffering


Maybe you shouldn't play a game if you're afraid of sociopathic carebears. Lol


Sociopathic does not mean what you think it means.

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