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Which Hole is Right Hole?

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Rall Mekin
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#1 - 2013-08-28 17:03:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rall Mekin
My corporation is considering a move in the near future to a C5 wormhole. We are a PVP corporation, and our favorite pass time is pewpew of any flavor—ganks, even fights, etc.

My question is, what static provides regular PVP and would be best for us?

I’m mainly wondering how many empty holes we’ll find in C5 space/ C4 space, and what is your success rates in “going down the chain” to find pew? As of late, we have been finding a lot of activity through our C3 static or its adjacent connections, but last month (during the Fountain war) it was dead in C3 space, at least in our US time zone.

Our thoughts are:

C5/C5 – we are still a ways out, but we want the pewpew in t3s and caps eventually. (I’m still worried it’s too quiet in C5 space to support our PVP habits.)
C5/C4 – Rich static, but likely empty a lot. (Or is that still the case?)
C5/C3 – Same static as we have now. Easier to collapse.
C5/C2 – LOLganks and occasional gudfights seem to happen aplenty in C2s. Enough said. We can make our money off the home sites, spend it killing c2 bears / fighting the C2 PVP corps (who are quite good from my experience).

I’d really love to hear from some of the C5/C5 or C5/C4 corps as far as how often they find activity nearby and people to shoot at.
Khan Farshatok
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#2 - 2013-08-28 17:06:29 UTC
Rall Mekin wrote:
My corporation is considering a move in the near future to a C5 wormhole. We are a PVP corporation, and our favorite pass time is pewpew of any flavor—ganks, even fights, etc.

My question is, what static provides regular PVP and would be best for us?

I’m mainly wondering how many empty holes we’ll find in C5 space/ C4 space, and what is your success rates in “going down the chain” to find pew? As of late, we have been finding a lot of activity through our C3 static or its adjacent connections, but last month (during the Fountain war) it was dead in C3 space, at least in our US time zone.

Our thoughts are:

C5/C5 – we are still a ways out, but we want the pewpew in t3s and caps eventually. (I’m still worried it’s too quiet in C5 space to support our PVP habits.)
C5/C4 – Rich static, but likely empty a lot. (Or is that still the case?)
C5/C3 – Same static as we have now. Easier to collapse.
C5/C2 – LOLganks a plenty seem to happen in C2s. Enough said. We can make our money off the home sites, spend it killing c2 bears.

I’d really love to hear from some of the C5/C5 or C5/C4 corps as far as how often they find activity nearby and people to shoot at.



the fact that you think its only carebears who live in c2's is quite entertaining.
Rall Mekin
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#3 - 2013-08-28 17:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Rall Mekin
Khan Farshatok wrote:
Rall Mekin wrote:
My corporation is considering a move in the near future to a C5 wormhole. We are a PVP corporation, and our favorite pass time is pewpew of any flavor—ganks, even fights, etc.

My question is, what static provides regular PVP and would be best for us?

I’m mainly wondering how many empty holes we’ll find in C5 space/ C4 space, and what is your success rates in “going down the chain” to find pew? As of late, we have been finding a lot of activity through our C3 static or its adjacent connections, but last month (during the Fountain war) it was dead in C3 space, at least in our US time zone.

Our thoughts are:

C5/C5 – we are still a ways out, but we want the pewpew in t3s and caps eventually. (I’m still worried it’s too quiet in C5 space to support our PVP habits.)
C5/C4 – Rich static, but likely empty a lot. (Or is that still the case?)
C5/C3 – Same static as we have now. Easier to collapse.
C5/C2 – LOLganks a plenty seem to happen in C2s. Enough said. We can make our money off the home sites, spend it killing c2 bears.

I’d really love to hear from some of the C5/C5 or C5/C4 corps as far as how often they find activity nearby and people to shoot at.



the fact that you think its only carebears who live in c2's is quite entertaining.


I know a lot better than that, friend. I also know that there are a lot of carebears in c2s, and that a lot of PVP corps are moving into C2s as well. Its one reason I'm considering a C2 static. I should probably amend the post a little.

I've just been pretty entertained by some of the kills/fights that seem to happen in them as of late.

**edited to honor the C2 PVP bros**
Vipre Morte
Team JK
#4 - 2013-08-28 21:32:47 UTC
Rall Mekin wrote:
Which Hole is Right Hole?


My wife definitely knows when I use the wrong hole! Trust me!
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#5 - 2013-08-28 21:37:05 UTC
Vipre Morte wrote:
Rall Mekin wrote:
Which Hole is Right Hole?


My wife definitely knows when I use the wrong hole! Trust me!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHVW7Zy_vg

Something along those lines, eh?

Seriously, how active would be living in a C5 wormhole? I've heard a lot of PVP has moved to the class 2 arena, but I do know of some great higher static wormhole alliances too.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-08-28 21:44:48 UTC
You probably want to avoid C5/C5s unless you are comfortable running 10-20 man gangs that are comprised of mostly T2/T3 with Logistics and potential capital support. By no means will you run into those kind of numbers all the time, but if you're mostly small-gang you'll find yourself out-classed regularly.

C5/C4s can be good, but it can also be a real wasteland if you get a lot of C4/C5s or C4/C4s which are often empty. C4/C3s and C4/C2s will be what you're hoping for most of the time, and often they are inhabited by Russians, which could be off timezone from you.

C5/C3s and C5/C2s are almost always inhabited, but the statics are pretty good for finding PVP with both small and larger entitites. C3s are the super highways for K162s, plenty of opportunities there.

Currently we live in a C5/C2, and we get some activity from C5/C5s popping into us to give us larger gang opportunities, and quite a bit of small gang (under 10 people) through the C2 chains, which are often quite extensive. The important thing to remember is that C2s always give you a k-space connection AND another wormhole, which is great for both logistics and hunting.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-08-28 23:11:50 UTC
As someone who has looked into this recently, basically breaks down like this:

C5>C5:
Good for large corps who want to dread blap and fly large T3 blobs a lot.
You won't get many fights in static cos theyre mostly empty or farmer groups but when you do, it's usually larger scale.
Will need to look further down your chain for more regular PVP and smaller scale stuff which makes rolling for PVP a slow process.
Biggest advantage here is it's easiest to get capitals into your WH. (also bad if youre attacked I guess.)

C5>C4:
Let's face it, this is a top of the line PVE farming hole for small groups.
Capital escalations in home, 2-3 toon PVE in static.
C4s are a barren wasteland for pretty much anything else.

C5>C3:
Fine for looking for smaller scale PVP but your chains will often be Home>Static>Kspace with nothing else so you'll be rolling a lot.

C5>C2:
Provides rich chains of lower class WHs, making them great for small scale PVP.
Easy kspace exit always, 2 orca pass rollable hole and always going to have a WH chain to go with your kspace.
Would easily be my pick for best PVP opportunities static.
One potential obstacle is that there are only 32 of these (off the top of my head so could be slightly off) and they are all occupied so you'll need to baptize your new home with fire.


Of these WHs, I have lived in a C5>C5 and now live in a C5>C2.
Have also lived in a C4>C3 which is the same as a C5>C3 except you can't make isk ;)

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#8 - 2013-08-29 16:40:54 UTC
Vipre Morte wrote:
Rall Mekin wrote:
Which Hole is Right Hole?


My wife definitely knows when I use the wrong hole! Trust me!


Brown hole, bad hole!

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#9 - 2013-08-30 00:09:58 UTC
Vipre Morte wrote:
Rall Mekin wrote:
Which Hole is Right Hole?


My wife definitely knows when I use the wrong hole! Trust me!


Why would you want to get her pregnant.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#10 - 2013-08-30 19:47:18 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Vipre Morte wrote:
Rall Mekin wrote:
Which Hole is Right Hole?


My wife definitely knows when I use the wrong hole! Trust me!


Why would you want to get her pregnant.


Yay, that's something I never have to worry about with my life partner.... Cool
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#11 - 2013-08-30 20:35:41 UTC
And I bet he doesnt have headaches either.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#12 - 2013-08-30 20:40:15 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
And I bet he doesnt have headaches either.


No, but I do sometimes...

Anyway, anyone got more advice on moving or as far as what hole to take? I think we've settled on a home, for now, where we can grow and chain out for PVP.
Apollo Eros
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#13 - 2013-08-30 21:15:34 UTC
Wait wait wait. I thought any hole you can fit into is the right hole?

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#14 - 2013-08-30 21:27:09 UTC
This is what I was talking about
http://m.quickmeme.com/meme/35peyw/

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Receg
Sleeper Dreams
D E L E T E L O C A L
#15 - 2013-08-31 00:01:33 UTC
Banning peeps from your pubchat for putting a :) in there is my definition of a pvp corp...

But anyways, C5/C5, yes quite dead, you'll be roaming out to null more often than getting fights in wspace unless you're into rage rolling for hours with a fleet on standby. You don't necessarily have to be some 30 man fleet capable corp, you can live in a c5>c5 with just a handful of skilled pilots; like a c5>c6, it's really not that dangerous unless you really **** some people off/people just don't like you.

C5/C4, from my experience living in this wh, don't do it. It provides no isk if you consistently have more than 5 people online at any one time, is annoying to roll, and hard to find fights. Also like a c5 chain, you'll often get into a c4>c4>c4>c5>c4 etc.

C5/C3, as jack stated, the chains usually end pretty quick with these, but you'll catch lots of farmers so if you're into ganking some bears then this is the hole for you. Good isk to boot.

C5/C2, much the same as a c5/c3 in regards to rolling. You'll have better chains to probe out meaning more opportunities for wormhole combat, but if you want serious isk for the corp as a whole you're gonna have a harder time unless your home c5 sites replenish fairly quick.

You also forgot to mention a c5/c6, it really isn't as bad as what others make it out to be. We don't get fights from our static majority of the time, we're just really lucky with wormholes further down the pipe.

Non-sense

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#16 - 2013-08-31 14:39:11 UTC
Receg wrote:
Banning peeps from your pubchat for putting a :) in there is my definition of a pvp corp...



Eh, I think you were trolling our potential recruits at the time, mate, but I do seem to remember us dying honorably on our swords a few months ago shortly after we moved into our home C4/C3. Something like t1 armor ruptures and a broadsword versus a t3 gang? We did that a few times, and then I decided I'd pick our fights better and train before the next time I did a "hey, come fight us, we're at X."

At any rate, its always good to hear form DakTakLakPak. You guys bring the fight, and I hope we run into you guys when we are comfortable in our t3 brawler doctrine. It should be good times.

It looks like if we want to make money, we're just going to have to suck it up and chain out--or go invade a C5/c2. I think we've decided we're a. a little too big in US tz to make a c2 static work, and b. that a C2 static is a little too poor to support us. I suppose we'll just have to cattle prod everyone into scanning deep down the chain and move to a higher static. We could always colonize a c2/c2/something later I suppose for pvp purposes.