Intergalactic Summit

Remind me again how "Equally" my people were treated after we seceded. Oh that's right, there was that fun little moment where the Gallenteans were bombarding us from orbit, and shooting down transports attempting to flee. Now let's not forget, the definition of genocide is to attempt to erase a population from existence, and the Gallente made a pretty concerted effort to do just that with the aforementioned shooting of civilian transports and bombarding of Home from orbit. The fact that they failed owes more to the heroism of Yakiya Tovil-Toba than any urge for mercy on the part of the Gallente.

The Federation's zeal to spread thier way of life is almost fanatical as well, look at how they treat the Intaki or for that matter, any population attempting to do things a different way from the Federally approved standard.

My apologies, the error has been corrected.

Remember that the government that bombed your planet didn't really represent the vast majority of Gallenteans either.

well, no. it seized emergency powers.

I was talking about the system prior to that point in which minority groups simply didn't have the numbers and votes to compete with, or even meaningfully oppose, the Gallentean majority.

The whole war stemmed from the simple fact that once you were in the Federation, as a minority your options were to either accept the fact that your voice would never be heard over the crowd, or to tell the Senate to go stick its head in a pig and secede.

the "well no, etc." was actually intended for Andreus. you're right, that government was elected. In the sense that all of the senators, the president and everything were originally elected democratically.

When the senators for the Caldari people read the Declaration of Secession however, the Federation Navy was deployed to blockade Home, then the Templis Dragonaurs bombed Nouvelle Rouvenor and killed about half a million people, at which point emergency powers were declared.

Emergency powers are one of the things that a lot of Federation voters forget - when they elect a candidate, they are entrusting that candidate with the responsible use of a power structure that includes within it the mandate and power to go beyond their original remit in times of national emergency.

The whole "checks and balances" thing falls apart rather badly when you realise that every government every elected in the Federation has had that same power to, for a while, completely ignore said checks and balances. It's possible to do a lot of damage in that time.

You could make that argument, yet keep in mind that everyone is equal under the law and discriminatory practices are illegal. While discrimination unfortunately does occur, it is not supported by the government or the majority of the population for that matter.

Curbing racism and discrimination is an on going struggle, however with the right people in power it can be curbed. Unfortunately the magpies will vote for whoever speaks the loudest, which is starting to look like Mentas Blaque.

Not writing off. Just feeling kind of neutral these days. My remarks probably did come across as more imposing than intended.



I've not said a thing in defence of the Empire, actually. And it's not my Empire.

The Empire's moral standing is dubious at best. I just find it mildly irritating when the Federation is cast as this shining beacon of freedom, morality and hope for all mankind.

While you may have been unaware of my views and misinterpreted them, it does not change the fact you made assumptions.

You did make an assumption when you felt I was agreeing with you, or, "on the same page." Don't take this as an insult, as assumptions aren't always bad things.

You may assume that your girlfriend will say "yes" when you ask her to marry you because she's given indications she desires such a commitment; or you may assume that you will win a fight because you have Pandemic Legion as your 'batphone,' as a few examples, however your misinterpretation of the facts doesn't change that you also made an assumption.

Perhaps your lady-friend was speaking in general terms and wasn't referring to your specific commitment; perhaps PL is just there for the kills, and should you cyno them in, they will kill you if you fail to produce anything worth their fuel (I'm looking at you, 'Silence'). These examples may not get my point across as I recognize they aren't the best...but bare with me, if you may, as I try to make my point clearer.

Misunderstandings and assumptions are like hawks and birds... Don't laugh, at least not yet, please.

All hawks are birds, but not all birds are hawks.

In this way, all misunderstandings are assumptions, but not all assumptions are misunderstandings.

You can assume many things, and sometimes you're right. But when you are wrong, it doesn't mean you didn't make an assumption.


Anyways, semantics tires me. I hope I have pointed out the difference between assumptions and misunderstandings that you seemed adamant about, and shown you that I do understand such differences. Beyond that though, there is no "burden of proof" for me. This is not a Gallente court of law and I do not have to shove a bloody knife in your face to prove you are the killer. What is clear to me is not something I need to prove to others. I'm neither judge, jury, nor executioner, but just a witness.

In my opinion, you made those misunderstandings mostly based off my race. I understand my words may have caused some confusion, but I truly don't think you would've met the same conclusion had I been Caldari or Amarr.

-Eran

Fair enough



This isn't a court of law, but this is an official board for (mostly) civilized discussions and debates (in this case, the debate being the difference between an assumption and misunderstanding as well as me making assumptions based on race). If you're going to make a claim, you have to be able to prove that claim. If you can't, you either admit your claim was wrong or become a liar.

You claimed I was making assumptions based on race. You openly admit to not being able to prove that I was. You refuse to modify your claim or drop it completely. You are a liar.

Blatantly lying about a topic is bad enough, but when you lie about something that could tarnish a person's reputation you commit something absolutely despicable.

It appears we have come full circle.