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When are the Marauder Changes going on Sisi

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#21 - 2013-08-29 23:59:58 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:


If you can't trust our numbers why should we trust yours?


Let me see if I understand you.
You are questioning why I should trust the numbers of a goon?

goons, who pride themselves on their deception and meta-gaming....
Sorry, you must have me mistaken for someone who has never played Eve.
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-08-30 00:14:00 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:


If you can't trust our numbers why should we trust yours?


Let me see if I understand you.
You are questioning why I should trust the numbers of a goon?

goons, who pride themselves on their deception and meta-gaming....
Sorry, you must have me mistaken for someone who has never played Eve.


Feel free to post how making 180m/hr in 0.0 is so trivial. The contents of anomalies and bounties are all easy to find.
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-08-30 00:15:28 UTC
If you're feeling more ambitious, put an alt in FCON or another of our terrible allies and read us talking about the actual ratting numbers (5-30m/tick).
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-08-30 00:16:09 UTC
Or you could continue posting about how every change is going to destroy your precious incursions because of the g00nies. Either is fine.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#25 - 2013-08-30 01:05:22 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
If you're feeling more ambitious, put an alt in FCON or another of our terrible allies and read us talking about the actual ratting numbers (5-30m/tick).


Check my corp history.
Check what alliance I WAS in when I was in null.
Check out what space that alliance was in at that time.

I made way way more than any tick based value.
I ran an Ishtar, without carrier based fighters backing me.

And 180 M was peanuts, when you factor in all the escalations and 10/10 goodies that dropped.
You know, the stuff that high sec incursions have ZERO access to.
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-08-30 01:22:21 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
If you're feeling more ambitious, put an alt in FCON or another of our terrible allies and read us talking about the actual ratting numbers (5-30m/tick).


Check my corp history.
Check what alliance I WAS in when I was in null.
Check out what space that alliance was in at that time.

I made way way more than any tick based value.
I ran an Ishtar, without carrier based fighters backing me.

And 180 M was peanuts, when you factor in all the escalations and 10/10 goodies that dropped.
You know, the stuff that high sec incursions have ZERO access to.


http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1517142

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Rengerel en Distel
#27 - 2013-08-30 01:39:39 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
If you're feeling more ambitious, put an alt in FCON or another of our terrible allies and read us talking about the actual ratting numbers (5-30m/tick).


Check my corp history.
Check what alliance I WAS in when I was in null.
Check out what space that alliance was in at that time.

I made way way more than any tick based value.
I ran an Ishtar, without carrier based fighters backing me.

And 180 M was peanuts, when you factor in all the escalations and 10/10 goodies that dropped.
You know, the stuff that high sec incursions have ZERO access to.


http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1517142

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Perhaps after the 6 month mark, he got really really good at what he was doing, and 100M/hr went from seemingly impossible to half peanuts?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#28 - 2013-08-30 01:46:14 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
If you're feeling more ambitious, put an alt in FCON or another of our terrible allies and read us talking about the actual ratting numbers (5-30m/tick).


Check my corp history.
Check what alliance I WAS in when I was in null.
Check out what space that alliance was in at that time.

I made way way more than any tick based value.
I ran an Ishtar, without carrier based fighters backing me.

And 180 M was peanuts, when you factor in all the escalations and 10/10 goodies that dropped.
You know, the stuff that high sec incursions have ZERO access to.


http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1517142

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Nice pull.
And yeah, I did get better, a lot better.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-08-30 02:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


I could give you a list of about 15 posts in the last couple days by goons et all extolling the virtues of why null sec income is so much better than high sec, but that would not get through to your brain.



Let's make it simple. How much do you, personally, make per hour in highsec with one character?


I make about 90M running in armor incursion fleets, under perfect conditions.
I make more running around semi-afk picking off clone soldier tags in 0.2 space.

When I lived in null, I made twice that, minimum.




and unless a null bear pve leech....your better isk returns in 0.0 probably had a few pvp losses to factor in as the cost of doing business out there. When 0.0 says risk vs reward....it be the risk of losses on ops/roams that are a part of that.


I had me a good night in 0.0 once....1 billion in less than 10 minutes (once jita sales done). Officer spawn, decent drop after killing it. Lost several high priced ships that month however in pvp. Net profit end of month not all that good. One could say l2p for this but when fc says jump my bs into a crapstorm, I jump into the crap storm and see what plays out like a good foot soldier. Sometimes you turn it around, sometimes you don't. Way it goes.

But thats me...I factor in losses to see what I "make". make 400 mil 1 night, lose a 200 mil ship next night...I made 200 mil.

I don't lose ships in empire however. Every isk made is is pure profit as mission ships and fittings are paid off. Even make my own t1 ammo from crap loot melt downs to control costs. And my own t2 ammo stacks at a time when prices good (last batches have lasted months and I tend to split them up and sell off say 1/4 or 1/2 to get some money back right off the bat).

Basically my empire pve has almost no cost. this is why empire making too much isk is valid. Unless really bad....you can buy jsut 2 ships and be done with eve for life at some point. for many reasons I like tengu pve. I have run the same tengu and noctis match up for well over a year and a half now. I buy tinker toy boats, not like them then resell em. I just don"t dig bs's for some reason lol.

If I were to go back to 0.0 I'd see me buying some t2 cruisers, t2 frigs, fleet bc's and bs' and will expect them to all be blown up in less than 6 months.

And some of thier replacements

And their replacements replacements lol..
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-08-30 02:41:10 UTC
check out this one weird tip to riches in nullsec, discovered by a carebear

the mittani DOESN'T want you to know
Mooer
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#31 - 2013-08-30 04:10:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mooer
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So I can get a crew in there to show CCP how clueless they are?

ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME?
the only thing "bad" they did was take away 25Mbit drone bandwidth.

they received tons of pg/cpu. look at the vargur. 5k grid!!!!

its the same marauder +1 high slot.

it ALSO gains (should you wish to train it) a siege bonus.
it GAINS a HUGE reduction in mjd.

that means with an mjd, one can jump every minute with marauder 5.
it is the master of range. itll keep u at range and shoot yer azz while running you're towards it, then itll jump away and make u chase it again.

its a lev 4 dream. hell, i might even hit up my lev 5 agent with it. look at the paly. it has the apocs range. that means 90k pulse with scorch. when deployed, itll gain another 25% range on fall off AND optimal. it has the = of 10 guns at marauder 5 AND the pg/cpu to actually fit 4 tachyons.
you can ALSO run incursions with bigger guns now. just dont siege.

you
are
stupid.

i usually dont bash people..but read the above statement.
its the same marauder only better.
Igor Nappi
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-08-30 07:37:28 UTC
I don't know about the marauder changes but I find it amusing to see terrible nullbears and terrible hisec bears to argue who is more terrible.

Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-08-30 08:26:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Igor Nappi wrote:
I don't know about the marauder changes but I find it amusing to see terrible nullbears and terrible hisec bears to argue who is more terrible.



Empire incursion spammer vs carrier ratters....fight!

Funny thing is there are the wh'erss making their isk in the background. And there are some FW types going please oh please let ccp keep on seeing empire vs null top page to not notice FW pve still needs tweaking.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-08-30 08:32:30 UTC
Can you explain how the marauder changes are a nerf? I honestly do not get it.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2013-08-30 08:42:30 UTC  |  Edited by: suid0
mynnna wrote:
Can you explain how the marauder changes are a nerf? I honestly do not get it.


They aren't

But he needs his webs to be able to run Incursions and doesn't want to have to cross train into a vindicator


OP... wont you just be able to enter site... MJD to freedom, engage bastion and start blapping?
Or do you fear that lack of pilot coordination will result in your fleet all MJDing in different directions? (please fraps that, I think it'd be great to watch)

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-08-30 09:36:51 UTC
suid0 wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Can you explain how the marauder changes are a nerf? I honestly do not get it.


They aren't

But he needs his webs to be able to run Incursions and doesn't want to have to cross train into a vindicator


OP... wont you just be able to enter site... MJD to freedom, engage bastion and start blapping?
Or do you fear that lack of pilot coordination will result in your fleet all MJDing in different directions? (please fraps that, I think it'd be great to watch)



you forgot the part about the loss of some drone bandwidth. Key thing to miss as apparently loss of web and small a amount of bandwidth will leave him and 1000's of other with no other option than to rent space from all you 0.0 types it seems.

Now he could train for vindi....but that be too easy. Or scare up a web loki pilot or 2 that has their head out of their ass and will follow orders., correctly even sometimes lol.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#37 - 2013-08-30 09:40:42 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Funny thing is there are the wh'erss making their isk in the background.

Please don't mention us when the rubes fight.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#38 - 2013-08-30 09:55:24 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Only way null sec cartels get all the renters they want is to destroy high sec income.
These ongoing nerfs to high sec income are not a surprise.

I guess I am taken aback at the audacity of the attacks, but then again, why should I be?


Here's a lolly. [stokes hair] There there, its all going to be ok so quit ya blubbing.

What, precisely, are CCP nerfing regarding high sec income with these proposed changes to Marauders? You seem to have brushed over that (or perhaps I missed it skim reading over your total tripe). If you mean your Marauder's role has changed so you need to use another ship (Oh, the horror!) you're not proving that CCP has nerfed high sec income, you're purely proving how fail you are at thinking.

This is going to..... and yes, I know you simply can't get your head around this Dinsdale but.... make the marauders a better ship.

I know, I know, you disagree but then that's probably because you're mentally sub par, locked into one way of playing and incapable of adapting to change.

As for getting CCP to turn the change around with your tears of impotent rage..... good luck. The weight of player opinion is quite obviously with CCP on this so I shall watch your frustrated anger with much mirth and glee.

I for one love the new changes proposed. I'll be dusting off my unused Marauder.

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#39 - 2013-08-30 11:44:56 UTC
Regardless of stats and bonuses we will have frakkin' TRANSFORMERS in space :)

Why can't you just be happy about that ossumsouce Dinsdale?

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#40 - 2013-08-30 12:11:11 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Can you explain how the marauder changes are a nerf? I honestly do not get it.


Right...sure.
Null sec whines, and the general comment is "null sec deserves these things we ask for, and we are only rebalancing for risk and reward".
High sec fights against the rising tide of nerfs, and apparently we don't know anything about the game.

So how is this a nerf:

1. Smaller drone bay and bandwdith = less DPS.
2. Loss of web bonuses on 2 of the 4 ships, which made them viable in Incursions, and when shooting close range targets in missions.
3. Small loss of armour buffer (Kronos and Paladin)
4. HUGE loss of base speed.

Do they get some buffs, yes of course. Some huge, specialized buffs, if you don't mind being stationary for at least a minute at a time. Oh, and if you actually try to use these in fleet in high sec, you best pray you don't plan on repping any friends along for the ride, because that safety off is doom, when targets are dropping fast.

All the Marauder needed was a better scan res, and slightly more effective DPS.

Instead, it got a lot of crap that is useless to anyone who uses these in Incursions, and for all those players thinking they will improve their mission output, I suggest they test them, because I think they are in for a rude surprise when they try to deal with elite frigs that scram your ship and chew through light drones in seconds.

I have work to do now, and for awhile won't be answering any more troll attempts by null sec cartel members intent on destroying high sec.
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