EVE General Discussion

Because the endless supply of isk generated from the moons 23/7 has allowed the alliances to keep an even tighter grip on their golden goose. The war in sov is a war of attrition. That has made it near impossible to win that war of attrition with all the income from the moons.

I'm going to savagely beat you like a drunk on a wife.

Then you've disqualified yourself from discussing the impact of income sources on the economy: you choose to remain wilfully ignorant about the mechanisms involved the critical differences between them. Until you understand these details, nothing you say can or will have even the slightest connection to reality.

Since your situation is the same as mine, I don't see how it would keep you from explaining this, unless you are having trouble coming up with a convincing cover story and have to rely on evasions instead in the hopes that your failure to provide any kind of response will, in time, be forgotten.

So no, I won't bear with you (and I certainly won't bare with you). Just quickly invent something — it's not going to be much better if you take a lot of time making up the same nonsense.

Moons don't generate any ISK, 23/7 or otherwise, and what it generates is not endless (and happens 24/7). It is in fact far more finite than, say, missions.

So again, until you learn how these things actually work, you really need to pipe down because barring some exceptionally lucky stroke, everything you say will be wrong.

The income from one moon is less than the income from one person AFK-mining ice in highsec. It also takes very little to interrupt and interdict the process. So not only is it not impossible to win such a war — it's almost trivially easy.

Are you one of those folks who think PLEX is magic, too, and no one ever pays to put it in game?

Regardless, you should probably take a moment to pay attention to Tippia, and learn what actually generates isk in the game, and what acts as a wealth transfer for that isk.

Whilst your point is valid, I just want to remind people that moongoo spills not a single new isk into the economy out of nothing as compared to missions.

I have no issues with LP rewards (I'd love to see LP bounty payouts instead of isk), as that only leads to LP inflation with far less impact on the overall economy - LP/conversion rates may come down to 200 isk/LP? So what?

Salvage isn't a problem either, because that's it's own niche market and it's hardly lucrative anymore. Trit bars and melted cap consoles were what six-seven years back? Around 800k/piece iirc.

LP, Salvage and Meta modules represent the risk/reward ratio in an open market, as a consequence, their prices hit rock bottom.

Bounties (and rewards) are uncoupled from the open market and a highly artificial element in eves economy (not restricting it to highsec bounties - any bounty for shooting NPCs should be replaced with LP.

I don't see the problem. You can earn more in FW using a punisher frigate with 4 warp core stabs than you can running L4s with a faction battleship.

The thing that is most disturbing, is that we have CSM's with a clear bias and agenda, and who's opinions 100% benefit themselves and their low-sec/null-sec buddies... but not what is in the best, long-term, interests of the game.

All of the "risk v reward" arguments are one-sided, self-serving, and deeply flawed.
Unfortunately, it is obvious what the "thoughts and opinions" of the player community this CSM is communicating to CCP.

The true agenda of this CSM, and the players he is supporting, isn't really about making easy ISK in level IV missions; it is another very poorly disguised attack supporting the agenda to force PvE players, in PvE fit ships, into Low-Sec so they can be easy targets for the "pirates".

If you are successful in getting your agenda implemented, and you begin funneling all the PvE players into Low-Sec so they can be target practice for those who are getting bored gate-camping for noobs, it might be great for you and your buddies (for a while), but it will be ultimately bad for the game and will result in losing a lot of players.

So really it's blitzing that needs to go
not killed ALL the rats, the mission ain't over


and before you start to complain
no it won't increase the isk/hr ratio of mission running, it will reduce it.
total bounty payments will increase, but the time taken will be longer

Alright highsec people why should something you can do in complete safety be more lucrative than something you cannot do in complete safety?

there's a place in Eve that's completely safe? Let me get my afk-mining toon...