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Whitehound
#61 - 2013-08-29 10:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
RubyPorto wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
I am glad we are somewhat on the same page now. Know the EULA is not some piece of a discussion. It is a legal document listing terms and conditions to which we agreed, making it an agreement. All you do is to interact with a client, which itself is CCP's and the only content created is the content on the servers, which are also CCP's. You may think that by pressing a key you have created something, but it is the client that interprets it, then creates a message and sends it to the servers where it then is interpreted again and eventually becomes content, all created by CCP. We are free to believe that it is our creation, just like we can believe that it is our ships. It is not necessary for us to have a particular believe in order for CCP's game to work.



I see, you are saying that, simply because I own the keyboard I'm typing this on, I created this keyboard. Cool.

No. Believe what you like. It is all right.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#62 - 2013-08-29 17:27:43 UTC
This is entertaining. Do continue...


I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#63 - 2013-08-29 17:44:11 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
No. Believe what you like. It is all right.


You claimed that all content created in EVE, regardless of who initiated its creation, is actually created by CCP because of the clause in the EULA stating that everything in EVE is owned by CCP.

It follows that you believe that ownership implies creation.


Whitehound wrote:
There is also no player created content.The moment you click "Accept" on the EULA do you give up all your rights. It is all CCP's. You only think it is "your" spaceship, that it is "you" who created it, but it is in fact CCP.


Whitehound wrote:
Know the EULA is not some piece of a discussion. It is a legal document listing terms and conditions to which we agreed, making it an agreement. All you do is to interact with a client, which itself is CCP's and the only content created is the content on the servers, which are also CCP's. You may think that by pressing a key you have created something, but it is the client that interprets it, then creates a message and sends it to the servers where it then is interpreted again and eventually becomes content, all created by CCP. We are free to believe that it is our creation, just like we can believe that it is our ships. It is not necessary for us to have a particular believe in order for CCP's game to work.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Whitehound
#64 - 2013-08-29 18:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
RubyPorto wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
No. Believe what you like. It is all right.


You claimed that all content created in EVE, regardless of who initiated its creation, is actually created by CCP because of the clause in the EULA stating that everything in EVE is owned by CCP.

It follows that you believe that ownership implies creation.

No. This is what you believe. I said that you can believe what you like.

Your parents created you and they feel responsible for the things you do just as much as you do. You simply do not get to tell what people should and should not believe. And trust me, when push comes to shove and CCP felt it necessary will their laywers tell you that nothing was created by you. Until then are you free to believe the game is yours.

All you have created is a contact on your keyboard and your mouse. All that follows is not your creation. You could not even tell what exactly happens after you have pressed a key and yet you strongly believe that everything thereafter is your creation. It has a bit of a "God complex".

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-08-29 18:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Desivo Delta Visseroff
Edited... Removed post that was in the wrong thread... Sorry OP. I was tabbing between threads. It was meant for someone else.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#66 - 2013-08-29 18:29:31 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
No. Believe what you like. It is all right.


You claimed that all content created in EVE, regardless of who initiated its creation, is actually created by CCP because of the clause in the EULA stating that everything in EVE is owned by CCP.

It follows that you believe that ownership implies creation.

No. This is what you believe. I said that you can believe what you like.

Your parents created you and they feel responsible for the things you do just as much as you do. You simply do not get to tell what people should and should not believe. And trust me, when push comes to shove and CCP felt it necessary will their laywers tell you that nothing was created by you. Until then are you free to believe the game is yours.


I own my keyboard, and I didn't assemble it. Who created my keyboard?

You're claiming that, simply because CCP owns everything on the Servers as well as all related IP, they created things that we normally consider to be player created content, like Burn Jita and HAG.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Whitehound
#67 - 2013-08-29 18:32:36 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
I own my keyboard, and I didn't assemble it. Who created my keyboard?

Turn it around. It should say at the bottom.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-08-29 19:48:06 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
All you have created is a contact on your keyboard and your mouse. All that follows is not your creation. You could not even tell what exactly happens after you have pressed a key and yet you strongly believe that everything thereafter is your creation. It has a bit of a "God complex".


...and by pressing said buttons on said keyboard created something that did not exist before. Hence the term 'player created content' .. who owns it ? CCP ... who created the sandbox ? CCP ... who put the sand there ? CCP ... who build a castle out of it ? ... ?
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
#69 - 2013-08-29 20:19:03 UTC
looked it up.. Cindy Yakuza died 2 times within 22 min Pirate

only a +4 set a 113 mil

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-08-29 20:23:50 UTC
Seriously talk of violating the EULA... As long as you're not attacking the guy's REAL LIFE race, sex, sexual orientation CCP isn't going to care. Even then you might get a 30 day ban. Come on guys it's just a game. If you're letting it make you that upset perhaps it's time to step back to real life and take a break.

I'm 95% or more carebear and I'll say this is exactly why highsec war and suicide ganking is so popular. Not because you get anything from it but you get to hear some kid crying in local or on the forums about how someone was mean to him.
Whitehound
#71 - 2013-08-29 21:24:46 UTC
Ressiv wrote:
...and by pressing said buttons on said keyboard created something that did not exist before. Hence the term 'player created content' .. who owns it ? CCP ... who created the sandbox ? CCP ... who put the sand there ? CCP ... who build a castle out of it ? ... ?

Only it is not. Try to grow potatoes on one of the planets and you will see that you cannot do it. For all you know could everything already exist and only be invisible to you until it becomes visible. Or somebody could be receiving the key press and then create things for you. You really know little to nothing of the processes and yet want to be the creator of it all. Why do you want to call it your creation so badly?

The word "your" is called a possessive pronoun. It is used to indicate a possession or ownership of something. So when you have given up ownership rights then why do you believe you can call it "your" creation?

I can say that "EVE is my game" and that "these are my spaceships", and CCP allows me to say this, but only as long as I am not being serious about it.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-08-29 21:39:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ressiv
Whitehound wrote:
Ressiv wrote:
...and by pressing said buttons on said keyboard created something that did not exist before. Hence the term 'player created content' .. who owns it ? CCP ... who created the sandbox ? CCP ... who put the sand there ? CCP ... who build a castle out of it ? ... ?

Only it is not.
You try to confuse people ?? This is not a valid answer to my question.
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Try to grow potatoes on one of the planets and you will see that you cannot do it. For all you know could everything already exist and only be invisible to you until it becomes visible. Or somebody could be receiving the key press and then create things for you. You really know little to nothing of the processes and yet want to be the creator of it all. Why do you want to call it your creation so badly?

Are you seriously going to argue that the fact that you cannot grow potatoes means we are not creating content ?

If I say Red Frog ... you know what I'm talking about ... CCP did not create that. (nor do they grow potatoes. Cry)

Quote:

The word "your" is called a possessive pronoun. It is used to indicate a possession or ownership of something. So when you have given up ownership rights then why do you believe you can call it "your" creation?

Cuz 'your creation' does not imply ownership .. it only informs us that you made it. While having to pay for it and ultimately you created it for CCP .. but that does not change **** about who created it .... and doesnt say **** all about who owns it.

Quote:
I can say that "EVE is my game" and that "these are my spaceships", and CCP allows me to say this, but only as long as I am not being serious about it.

You can say those things, but you would be wrong. Hint: EULA

Edit: Also .. by your logic .. explain the relationship a developer has to EVE .. let's say a ship designer ... "that's my design" ... if only I could see his face when you react to him: no it's not, it's CCP's ...
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-08-29 22:33:57 UTC
Y'all retards want to STFU?

You're arguing ******* semanitcs over the English language for christ's sake. Do that in PMs

[URL=http://paradoxicalhonour.blogspot.com]Paradoxical Honour (blog)[/URL]
Whitehound
#74 - 2013-08-29 23:23:44 UTC
Ressiv wrote:
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You can say those things, but you would be wrong. Hint: EULA

Edit: Also .. by your logic .. explain the relationship a developer has to EVE .. let's say a ship designer ... "that's my design" ... if only I could see his face when you react to him: no it's not, it's CCP's ...

Exactly, you would be wrong.

Why do you make a distinction between a dev and CCP? Who do you think CCP is?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Sidrat Flush
KarmaFleet
#75 - 2013-08-30 01:51:04 UTC
Whitehound - are you obtuse on purpose? When a player interacts with another causing the second player harm in some way it is known as PvP.

Likewise when the second player thwarts the attempt and gains the upper hand.

I'm sure you realise Eve is a pvp game.

Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#76 - 2013-08-30 03:26:29 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Whitehound wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I own my keyboard, and I didn't assemble it. Who created my keyboard?

Turn it around. It should say at the bottom.


So you agree that ownership doesn't imply creation.

And the EVE EULA says that CCP owns everything created in EVE. Why, then, do you claim that their ownership implies that CCP created all content in EVE?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Whitehound
#77 - 2013-08-30 07:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
RubyPorto wrote:
So you agree that ownership doesn't imply creation.

And the EVE EULA says that CCP owns everything created in EVE. Why, then, do you claim that their ownership implies that CCP created all content in EVE?

Because I did not create it. CCP did.

Artists say that a picture was created by Photoshop, giving credit to the tool maker, and only claim copyright. Animation makers do the same when they say it was created by RenderMan. And so on.

I already told you that you can believe it to be all yours. How many times more do you need to read it?! You should really think why you are so obsessed with wanting to own the creation process at this point. Maybe you are not very creative at all and need to believe that you have created at least a little bit in your life and to have a feeling of accomplishment. It happens all the time.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-08-30 07:52:26 UTC
Whitehound wrote:


Artists say that a picture was created using Photoshop, giving credit to the tool maker, as the tool and claim copyright as the creator of the artwork. Animation makers do the same when they say it was created using RenderMan.


Fixed that for you, you're welcome.

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Whitehound
#79 - 2013-08-30 07:57:36 UTC
Tinker Vuld wrote:
Fixed that for you, you're welcome.

No, thanks. You did not create it but the tool did it for you.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2013-08-30 08:02:17 UTC
/close thread

The crazies have taken over

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