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Why pay rent to live in Null Sec.
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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-08-29 14:36:25 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
People like paying for the privilege of not having to defend their space. You know those alliances that fall apart when they get invaded? They should be renting.

Test Alliance, Please Rent (then NCdot will defend you even if you manage to drop all your sov)


Wait..are you really offering us a place in the heart of your newly founded slave empire amongst all the carebears ?

Shocked

Hmmm.

Sounds like a reasonable and well thought out plan.

What could possibly go wrong?

Hell, this could be even more fun than joining CVA!

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#82 - 2013-08-29 14:38:23 UTC
No, join ncdot, that way your isk will go towards destroying gsf

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Anuminas Alland
Aspergus Carebearnaise
#83 - 2013-08-29 14:38:54 UTC
K, I'm sold, here's 10 groats. Can you guys JF all my stuff out? I'll contract all the corp goods over to you. I totes trust all of you now.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#84 - 2013-08-29 14:41:31 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
"Why reward those who control Null Sec..."


This is both your answer and where you fall from understanding.

Think of it this way:
Why pay rent for a house you don't own?

Someone, other than the renter, took the initiative and spent an enormous amount of time and resources to secure that space, So you could come just come by and make isk.

If you want it for free, come and take it.

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-08-29 14:42:08 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
No, join ncdot, that way your isk will go towards destroying gsf


But PBLRD sounds like so much fun Sad

You know...the thing about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer...

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#86 - 2013-08-29 15:41:43 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?

Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?

Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?

Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?

Hey, its only a game. You are bound to find other ways to enjoy Eve.

Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.

Don't allow the Power Blocs to brag, "Look at how much space we have". Make them earn the right to be able to say, "Look at how much space we can controll".

Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent.

To clarify, this is an anti-renting thread.

Deka.



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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#87 - 2013-08-29 15:47:13 UTC
EVE Online is harsh and cold.

We have a nice house with heating.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2013-08-29 15:48:02 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Watch the game mechanic changes coming in with the December iteration, and then you will see why people will be moving into null.


Do you hear the black helicopters flying over your house at night?


hurrrr derp derp

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2013-08-29 15:50:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned as well

if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city

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SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#90 - 2013-08-29 15:52:10 UTC
I agree with harry people playing with other people in a multiplayer game are doing it wrong!

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Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-08-29 15:56:01 UTC
harry's greatest goal is to solo bomb the sandbox itself!
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-08-29 16:03:12 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned

if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city


So I take it that is a no to coming and renting out a little bit of our prime real estate then?
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2013-08-29 17:48:28 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned

if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city


So I take it that is a no to coming and renting out a little bit of our prime real estate then?


You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit. It might be, but it might also be some elaborate long-term scam you are running and one fine day your renters will find their underware pulled over their faces. I was in CFC like 2 years ago and I think you guys touched me in inappropriate places while I wasn't looking so it might just be residual effect.
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#94 - 2013-08-29 18:20:14 UTC
Enduros wrote:
You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit.


I don't want to be a Negative Nellie but I'm gonna have to agree here. Tell ya what, you send me 1/2 the rent of one system to show that you're serious. I'll triple it and send it right back to ya.

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Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#95 - 2013-08-29 18:27:06 UTC
SmokinDank wrote:
Enduros wrote:
You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit.


I don't want to be a Negative Nellie but I'm gonna have to agree here. Tell ya what, you send me 1/2 the rent of one system to show that you're serious. I'll triple it and send it right back to ya.


Looks like the PBLRD alliance is up to like 135 now, those guys seem quite content making mad dough from those sweet Guristas sites
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#96 - 2013-08-29 18:31:13 UTC
What is the typical rental rate these days? And what does that get you? Can you claim Sov for your rented system? Install your own upgrades? Place an outpost?

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Nuela
WoT Misfits
#97 - 2013-08-29 19:19:42 UTC
Much better to rent than own.

If some big bad comes along then, hey, it isn't YOUR system. Your landlords have to show up to keep it. If they don't, then you either have new landlords or you no longer have to pay rent and go back to hisec for a bit.

If you own, then it comes with much baggage.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2013-08-29 19:20:31 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
SmokinDank wrote:
Enduros wrote:
You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit.


I don't want to be a Negative Nellie but I'm gonna have to agree here. Tell ya what, you send me 1/2 the rent of one system to show that you're serious. I'll triple it and send it right back to ya.


Looks like the PBLRD alliance is up to like 135 now, those guys seem quite content making mad dough from those sweet Guristas sites


http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Greater_Western_Co-Prosperity_Sphere/corporations

If you look on dotlan then you will see that half of those 135 are GSF alts and other half is nubs they have managed to recruit into one of the corps. The space they rent is terrible truesec, probably has no upgrades either and in the range of all the common hot-droppers. You can't find prices anywhere. You can't find terms anywhere.

When I was looking for space to rent all I got from goons was scam mails. PL, N3, EMP, DD etc all had info up somewhere easy to find. Then I started getting mails from goons that their renting is legit now. Still no info anywhere from goons. If they indeed aren't running a scam it sure as hell looks like a scam.

Vincent Athena wrote:
What is the typical rental rate these days? And what does that get you? Can you claim Sov for your rented system? Install your own upgrades? Place an outpost?


Rent is anywhere from 500mil to 1b per 0.1 truesec + any perks in system like lots of belts, ice, station, dead-end pocket, etc. Some run a per-toon rent and something like that, but all those things usually turn into competition for anoms and are not worth it.

You get exclusive rights to moons, belts, anoms etc, sometimes landlords take some moons and are allowed to rat in your system, but I've never heard that becoming a problem. It gets you intel channels and usually a blue way to hi-sec.

In most cases it gets you sov and ihub, sometime not, depending on terms. Some protection like if someone comes and reinforces your POS you get help. If you have ihub you can put in your upgrades, most have a deal that if you leave they buy back those upgrades. If you have the manpower to drop an egg I imagine you are welcome to do it as it will increase the value of the system. You are not getting any official protection from roaming gangs, but usually if you are with any competent group they will scramble some defense fleet to go get a fight or at the very least give you good warning about hostiles.

I don't really see where is the slaving away part that everyone is foaming at mouth over in every other thread
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-08-29 19:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Enduros wrote:
half of those 135 are GSF alts


"18/135 = 0.5" -- you, 2013

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Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2013-08-29 19:54:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Enduros
Andski wrote:
Enduros wrote:
half of those 135 are GSF alts


"18/135 = 0.5" -- you, 2013

According to dotlan only 1 corp is more then 2 weeks old. Also accepting tinfoils hats contracted to me in stations I have no access to.