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reverse fix AFK cloaking thread! I found one!

Yes, because the fact we can already get safe in sov null 100% effectively is not already overpowered.

News flash, when an opponent cannot control events enough to force a failure in your defense, that IS an "I WIN" button.
You are specifically asking to remove the stalemate that you are not even accepting any responsibility for!
You only want it to be resolved in your favor.

And that mind boggling assumption that this is YOUR space, WTF?!

You have a building permit. Grab that outpost, anchor that POS and customs office, you are done.

You can only have gate control through persistent effort, and if you can't control who comes thorugh it, then you did not try hard enough, blame yourself for that or accept you can't stop people from coming.
Either way, you don't OWN the rights to being in the system, since the game does not honor or respect any claims you might make in that direction.

Get over the idea that you have non existent rights on that level. In null, might makes right, so don't expect other players to leave your system because you are posting here.

Thank you for numbering the points, I appreciate this detail.

This assumes more than a few details.
First, my ideas come hand in hand with a method to detect cloaked vessels.
I will be glad to link the thread if you wish, otherwise I claim it to be the most balanced method possible in the absence of local intel revealing cloaked presence freely.

Hot dropping is a delicate procedure, and only practical if BOTH the target and the dropper has constant and reliable intel on exactly how many pilots are present in the system.
By explanation, it is the only way for a target to be attacked by multiple DPS ships minus the obvious warning currently being provided. You see a spike in local from half a dozen ships and you have no doubts regarding your lack of safety.
For the dropper, you never EVER want to drop into an enemy fleet, since the only functional way a drop succeeds is by using overwhelming force, often supplemented by target's surprise and confusion. Unless you have local to verify your drop zone is clear, you are asking for a very expensive disaster.

Pointing out the obvious: If they can't see cloaked in local, sneak the cloaked vessels in quietly before hand. No load time, and everyone can warp together to the target.


I would never assume that you were a botter, so no, of course you cannot genuinely AFK mine.
This would be a source of direct ISK income with zero direct effort, and would therefore break the EULA of this game.

You could, however, cripple the fitting on your exhumer by fitting a cloak, the same way your presumed opponents must do.
Then you would indeed be able to do everything you just suggested.

This is also building on previous assumptions, debunked above.

It is enough to point out, that doing a proactive scan for cloaked vessels before operating would be a practical step.
You may see cause to do routine patrols as well. You would expect some effort on the part of a cloaked pilot to insert themselves into your system, matching this by being vigilant seems fair.


So, as you described, your hunters are going to considerable effort to research your location, and following it up with some rather cunning stealthy logistics to place themselves inside their target area.

You, on the other hand, want to sit back on the past achievements your corp or alliance made by acquiring the sov, so they could build the POS / outposts you reside in.
You then follow this up with free intel, requiring no effort from you beyond being at your keyboard to use.

In effect then, regarding your safety:
We have a one time effort from your associates, followed by minimum paying attention and not making bad decisions from yourself.

From the cloaked menace:
Persistent need for research, required in the form of tracking mining indexes, knowing your target's policies on the alliance level, and finally then they get to watch local to see who is present for shooting.

In a game meant to demonstrate a competition by effort, why is one side showing a different level?

it should require 1 mil isk per minute to stay docked safely in null sec stations.

Us miners?

Just so we are clear, you do not represent my interests, and I am a miner in null.

I want back my unlimited ice belts. At the very least, I don't want my rewards rolled back even further.

That means we need risk, not this loony tune default mechanic that is killing the risk.

Sov rental payment, Alliance SRP for HD fleets, factoring in the costs when you win/buy and lose the systems. Your figure might not be too far off...

But if you factor in the lost income, that alone can be upwards of 5 million isk per minute.