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Orca tank fit or cargo fit? (Hi-sec)

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Malkor Amphal
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-08-19 20:51:43 UTC
Allright, so i have a dilemma that hopefully some more experienced players can assist me with. I am attempting to locate a good tank fit for an orca that doesn't sacrifice too much cargo space. I would like to keep at least 1 expanded cargo hold and perhaps use a DCUII in it's place however that is not set in stone. Per the general populations collective opinion which of the following fits would seem like the best to use for hi sec mining ops? should i just say balls to EHP and focus on cargo capacity? or look into decent EHP fits?

[Orca, Passive Shields]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
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[Orca, Active Tank Orca]
Expanded Cargohold II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
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[Orca, cargo fit]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Small Tractor Beam I
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I

Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2013-08-19 20:57:22 UTC
Depends on how much cargo you actually need. I'd advise against Shield Rechargers. If you're using it in hisec, the biggest danger is suicide ganks, which happen so fast that the rechargers are pretty much useless.

So, it's between fit #2 and fit #3. I would personally pick #2, but I am a sucker for Damage Controls.

I am also moving this thread to the Ships & Modules section, where it can reach people whose raison d'être is to critique fits.

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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-08-19 20:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Alduin666 Shikkoken
Honestly I would go for a cargo fit. A group of gankers wouldn't have enough firepower to down you before concord shows up unless they are actually planning to gank you and not just some barge. In that case they would have enough firepower to take down any tank because they would assume you are tank fitted anyway.

Unless your corporation has a "PvP/Security Wing" if an awoxer attacks you they are going to chew through your tank no matter what it is and because they will most likely point you, you can't get away anyway.

Just my 2 ISK, I'm sure some people will have other opinions

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Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-08-19 20:58:12 UTC
When in doubt, civilian shield booster.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-08-19 21:11:42 UTC
If you don't fit a damage control II to your orca you're begging to be ganked. The second low in belt should either be a reinforced bulkhead for more EHP, or a powergrid rig so you can fit a GTFO align MWD.

I really can't think of a situation where you should ever fit a cargo expander low mod to an orca.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2013-08-19 22:35:54 UTC
All of your suggestions are pretty bad. Never fit any kind of cargo expansion on an Orca, because it eats into your greatest asset: your massive hull. Never fit a ship for passive shield tanking unless you intend to sit in the middle of L4s and run them with some kind of AFK setup.

There is only one Orca fit.

[Orca, Orca fit]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Survey Scanner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II

Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

For travel, offline the links and exchange the Survey Scanner for a 100MN MWD (hence the ACR rig).
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-08-19 22:45:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
All of your suggestions are pretty bad. Never fit any kind of cargo expansion on an Orca, because it eats into your greatest asset: your massive hull. Never fit a ship for passive shield tanking unless you intend to sit in the middle of L4s and run them with some kind of AFK setup.

There is only one Orca fit.

[Orca, Orca fit]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Survey Scanner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II

Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

For travel, offline the links and exchange the Survey Scanner for a 100MN MWD (hence the ACR rig).


Lies! You can easily replace the tractor beam II with a shield harmonizing gang link II.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-08-20 09:47:43 UTC
There are actually some possible variations on Tippia's Orca fit, depending on what sort of trouble you might be expecting.

Whatever you do, the Large ACR, the Reinforced Bulkheads, and the Damage Control are the keys to a sturdy utility Orca.

Swapping the EM Ward for a Thermic Dissipation Field will improve your survivability against gankers using blasters (the Brutix and Talos are probably the most likely ships a suicide-ganker gang will throw against an Orca), but will sacrifice EM resistance (EMP-loaded Tornadoes, laser boats).

The CDFE rigs help improve your shield buffer, but if you need extra cargo space, you can give them up for Large Cargoholds Optimizations without crippling your tank (LCO's reduce your armor, not your structure, and the Orca's armor is pretty much an afterthought in any case).

If you're willing to pay serious money, and have Industrial Command Ships IV, you can actually use Tech II LCO's, which will give you over 50K m3 of space (enough to carry a flat-packed battleship) while still approaching 240K EHP (overheating hardeners will push you over 250K EHP), and swapping the EM hardener for a thermal will crank up your resistance to blaster fire to 249K EHP (266K EHP overheated).

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MicDeath Titan
No Mans Corp
#9 - 2013-08-20 11:27:59 UTC
Tanked Orca is a free Willy.
Cargo Orca is a free kill mail waiting to happen.
Kery Nysell
#10 - 2013-08-20 18:31:36 UTC
I must be doing something wrong then, I've always fitted my Orca for max cargo, with a Survey Scanner and drone mod in the mids ...

Of course, I'm a hisec Carebear by choice, I don't advertise my presence when I fleet-mine, and I usually have a corpmate or two on "guard duty" in combat ships ...

Never been ganked in my Orca so far ... got podded once in my Noctis while doing a hauling trip, and got my Iteron V blown up on a return trip from Jita ...

I might suggest combat drones / ECM drones and an ECM mod in the mids, plus some hull-tanking, if you're really needing a combat Orca ...

As usual, the #1 Cardinal Rule of EvE applies : don't fly what you can't afford to lose ...

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#11 - 2013-08-20 20:43:05 UTC
You need bulkheads, DCU, and active hardeners. Patch them holes boy.

Anything else is just SCREAMING gank me.

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Varrinox
Shadows of the Empire
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#12 - 2013-08-21 14:06:36 UTC
All the suggestions and OPs fits are bad so far for one reason. You want a tanky orca and you are not making use of the capabilities of the 2 x-l ancillary shield boosters it can fit.

Highs - cycle time and range links + tractor beam
Mids - 2 x-l asbs, shield boost amp and invul
Lows - damage control and cargo
Rigs - more cargo

Pay attention and heat your mid slots when ur being tanked and u will be fine vs large ganks.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#13 - 2013-08-21 16:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Varrinox wrote:
All the suggestions and OPs fits are bad so far for one reason. You want a tanky orca and you are not making use of the capabilities of the 2 x-l ancillary shield boosters it can fit.

Highs - cycle time and range links + tractor beam
Mids - 2 x-l asbs, shield boost amp and invul
Lows - damage control and cargo
Rigs - more cargo

Pay attention and heat your mid slots when ur being tanked and u will be fine vs large ganks.


Its silly to try to use shield boosters Vs Alpha.

That fit sucks. No bulkheads. Huge Em hole. 80k HP. No.

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Varrinox
Shadows of the Empire
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#14 - 2013-08-21 17:43:14 UTC
The em hole is not that big dc II and heated invul cover that. As for ehp with dc orca gets over 150k. Most ganks on orcas are done using high dps blaster boats not raw alpha as that many tornadoes is expensive.

And as for you thinking 2 x-l asbs are bad vs ganks. You clearly have never tried to break a heated dual asb tank.

This orca, like any fit will die if someone really wants your blood or you have 9000 plex in cargo but for good tank and good cargo hold, which is what op asked for you will struggle to beat that.

Next.
That Seems Legit
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-08-21 17:45:41 UTC
Varrinox wrote:
All the suggestions and OPs fits are bad so far for one reason. You want a tanky orca and you are not making use of the capabilities of the 2 x-l ancillary shield boosters it can fit.

Highs - cycle time and range links + tractor beam
Mids - 2 x-l asbs, shield boost amp and invul
Lows - damage control and cargo
Rigs - more cargo

Pay attention and heat your mid slots when ur being tanked and u will be fine vs large ganks.

Doesnt understand how alpha works, gives advice anyways.

OP a dc and bulkheads in your lows are mandatory for an orca tank. Most of its ehp lies in its hull. The rest of your slots depend on what youre using it for.

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Marcos Boirelle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-08-29 12:46:48 UTC
Ladies and Gentlemen,

So I have read the entire post and it makes sense, all of it actually.

First of all, if you want to haul and the cargo space of the Industrial Ships just aint enough and the Capital Freighters cost twice as much as the Orca + the Orca can haul Ore in the Cargo Hold, the Ore Hold and the Fleet Hangar, correct me if I am wrong?

Say I want to stick to High Sec, no Low Sec or Null Sec Hauling and I want to maximize Cargo Capacity and foremost not use Autopilot...and secondly what are the cycle time and range links that were mentioned?

Can you not unite on a fitting schematic that works for hauling but providing some kind of defense to survive a gank unless it is consisting of enough ships to blow you out of the sky independently on your defense and the speed of Concorde?

Thanks for your help...Blink
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-08-29 13:16:07 UTC
the best way to tank an orca is to not haul anything worth ganking. if you insist on hauling expensive stuff, a dcu, bulkheads, a power grid rig and 100mn mwd are your friends.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Marcos Boirelle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-08-29 13:23:29 UTC
We are talking pure High Sec Ore hauling :)
Lusena Celimvor
Voltaic Industries
#19 - 2013-08-29 13:29:44 UTC
Marcos Boirelle wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,

So I have read the entire post and it makes sense, all of it actually.

First of all, if you want to haul and the cargo space of the Industrial Ships just aint enough and the Capital Freighters cost twice as much as the Orca + the Orca can haul Ore in the Cargo Hold, the Ore Hold and the Fleet Hangar, correct me if I am wrong?

Say I want to stick to High Sec, no Low Sec or Null Sec Hauling and I want to maximize Cargo Capacity and foremost not use Autopilot...and secondly what are the cycle time and range links that were mentioned?

Can you not unite on a fitting schematic that works for hauling but providing some kind of defense to survive a gank unless it is consisting of enough ships to blow you out of the sky independently on your defense and the speed of Concorde?

Thanks for your help...Blink


Although I could quibble on some of it, Tippia's fit is the best one in this thread.

If what you want to haul won't fit without going the max cargo route, make multiple trips.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-08-29 15:35:03 UTC
I also like Tippia's fit. The only point I would bring up, why only settle with Tech 1 rigs? If you are going to buy an 800+ mill for the hull, and you want to keep it safe (LOL), fit it right & go Tech 2. I hear miners are filthy rich.

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