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CCP what is believed to be harassment?

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Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-08-29 07:31:06 UTC
HI I’m trying to get my head around something so I thought I would ask here.

With the EULA rule advising that if a char feels he is being harassed by another char this is a ban able offence.
Reason why I’m asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?.

Then again if this is the case and this is classed as harassment isn’t this then pushing the border of harassment of a char mining then being ganked all the time by one corp, or one solo char and the only way it will stop is to pay isk which then could be classed as bullying which is included in EULA as harassment?.

Under war rules it is different but if a NPC char is just trying to play the game can he or she petition this to be stopped?.
Would like some clarification thanks

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2013-08-29 07:38:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance.
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-08-29 07:42:11 UTC
Why don't you use a couple of alts?

William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#4 - 2013-08-29 07:42:16 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance.

Probably just worried he/she can get into trouble for killing idiots in space.

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#5 - 2013-08-29 07:43:52 UTC
File a petition for an official answer.

However as a general rule, if they have a reason for the continually ganking you ie; you need to buy a mining permit, then its ok.

If you move to another system, which is a significant distance away, and they follow you and you decide to move to another system a significant distance away and they follow you again. Then you might have a case.

Imagine if a player joined your corp, stole from you and dropped into a NPC corp. Would you feel it was ok to hunt them down and repeatedly blow up their ships?

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#6 - 2013-08-29 07:46:02 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance.

Bacon......... That's why!

...

Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-08-29 07:46:36 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance.



lol I know who I am thanks and what corp im in but its one of those wake up in the morning with a question on my mind. Personally im happy to blow up a char any time of the day Big smile

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.

Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#8 - 2013-08-29 07:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Shederov Blood
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance.

Bacon......... That's why!
Always relevant.

The bit about harassment in the ToS is more directed at being abusive towards the players themselves, not violence towards their in-game characters.

If there's anything to worry about, it's probably the little section on grief play, which technically doesn't apply if you're being paid, but a GM may step in "at their discretion" if they think you've gone too far.

Who put the goat in there?

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#9 - 2013-08-29 08:23:58 UTC
I have only ever heard of 2 people being banned for harassment and neither instance was related to internet spaceships in any other way than words said or typed.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-08-29 08:33:53 UTC
Jove Death wrote:
...Reason why I’m asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?...

My opinion, if the character you are going to 'gank' ten times or more is a new player... that might be Crossing the Rubicon.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-08-29 08:54:27 UTC
I dont even remember the names of the people I kill in this game...is it harrassment if i kill someone multiple times because he keeps coming back in this badger mark one to low sec?

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#12 - 2013-08-29 09:02:41 UTC
"Harrassment" is when someone would, for example, send you eve mails which contain rascism, sexist remarks, or personal attacks. It's indeed about harassing players, not shooting at their ships a couple of times. That's a part of normal gameplay. You can assume "non-consentual combat is not grief play" as per that link. You'd have to take this pretty far for it to be counted as griefing.

If you are really worried, interact with the victim and gauge his mental state. How likely is it that the dude will run crying to a GM in the first place?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#13 - 2013-08-29 09:15:15 UTC
I'm sure I read somewhere there's a limit. I'm sure if you keep following the same person around endlessly bumping them for example that was considered against the rules griefing.
I'd be very surprised if even CCP had no limits on how much you can grief.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#14 - 2013-08-29 09:22:24 UTC
I remember something being published some time ago about targeted action against a specific character for an extended period of time counting as harassment and possibly leading to action against you by the game masters. The principle behind it at the time was that attempting to force someone out of the game by continually ganking them was not welcome behaviour.

Please petition it, and let us know the general outcome of the petition.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-08-29 09:22:58 UTC
Harassment is about the player not the character.

It's why people get shouted at for saying things like "kill your self" but not for "bio mass your self". One's aimed at the player, one's aimed at the character.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#16 - 2013-08-29 09:26:37 UTC
Not the clearest of answers but:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1282779#post1282779

Essentially it seems the answer is "use common sense". If you are disrupting someone's play continuously and they report you, you could get banned. It seems it's mostly about picking on one person over and over causing them distress.

I mean if you think about if from a CCP point of view. If you harass 3 people, and they all stop playing, CCP loses 3 subs. If they ban you for harassment, they only lose 1. So don't disrupt CCPs dollar and you are alright.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-08-29 11:13:29 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Not the clearest of answers but:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1282779#post1282779

Essentially it seems the answer is "use common sense". If you are disrupting someone's play continuously and they report you, you could get banned. It seems it's mostly about picking on one person over and over causing them distress.

I mean if you think about if from a CCP point of view. If you harass 3 people, and they all stop playing, CCP loses 3 subs. If they ban you for harassment, they only lose 1. So don't disrupt CCPs dollar and you are alright.


If people make no effort to move to another area it is not harrassment.
If you have reasonable expectation of profit it is not harrassment.
People ragequit EVE all the time and CCP are well aware that the real meaningful losses are also why they still have a game 10 years down the line.
Is hiring mercs to clear a system of rival miners harrasment?
Is Test being hounded out of 3 regions harrassment?
Is the guy who brought 3 unfitted ships to the same FW plex over a 2 hour period able to claim harrassment?
Is hunting down corp thieves or awoxers harrassment?
Is war deccing random corps harrassment?

Almost nothing in EVE is deemed harrassment under the EULA although IRL threats are taken very seriously. People who gank miners are never banned but many miners have had temp/perm bans for the IRL threats they have issued. Same for awoxers and corp thieves.
Basically defend what you have, hide from people or accept your losses as a price of doing business.
Whatever you do in EVE you can find fairly safe places to do it in high, low, wh or null. It isn't other peoples fault if you don't try to do this.

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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-08-29 11:15:48 UTC
I insulted a notorious contract / margin trading scammer in Jita by saying his mother is a cankerous wh*re.

I got reported for that, and a written warning in my mailbox as well. Silly really.

My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.

There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2013-08-29 11:19:46 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Jove Death wrote:
...Reason why I’m asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?...

My opinion, if the character you are going to 'gank' ten times or more is a new player... that might be Crossing the Rubicon.

^^ Pretty much that, but even then, it's iffy. Just don't be this guy: http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=5360 — stay away from people in newbie frigates in the newbie systems, and don't make it so that they can't play the game.
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-08-29 11:49:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Jove Death wrote:
...Reason why I’m asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?...

My opinion, if the character you are going to 'gank' ten times or more is a new player... that might be Crossing the Rubicon.

^^ Pretty much that, but even then, it's iffy. Just don't be this guy: http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=5360 — stay away from people in newbie frigates in the newbie systems, and don't make it so that they can't play the game.


Why isn't that guy banned yet? Shocked

My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.

There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth.

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