Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Out of combat repair.

Restore all hull armor and shields to like new condition.
Restore ammunition and charges used up by the ship.

Temporal stabilizer function.
Ship is rolled back, (restored), to the last point in time it was undocked.
Items in cargo hold are destroyed. Ejecting items you wish to save before is recommended.
Pilot capsule is auto ejected in this process, X seconds before activating.
(X = dev balancing aspect)
(This is a weakness in the process, exposing the ship unmanned briefly.)

ONLY Ammunition and charge class items are restored to cargo hold, in amounts present when last saved.
Any item besides this is lost.
(Same limit to items allowed onboard ships in a carrier)
Any ammo or charge item not used by the ship, or otherwise removed from the ship, is left as is.
Only items expended by the ship are restored in this manner.
(They are not present to be restored, otherwise)

I am happy to clarify any aspects left unclear!

Your ideas are just getting weird now.

Build a time machine: use it to recover bullets from the void.

Build a cloak, be undetectable
Build a starship, and go faster than the speed of light

Time machines, with the exception of those immune to paradoxes for a specific reason, don't duplicate anything.
They can, however go back to a point before the item was used.

The paradox immunity in this case, is the damage done by the guns remains in place. The bullet fragments, missile residue, etc, simply vanishes back to the ship and is reconstituted back into the original ammunition.

This thread is a troll, right? It's a silly idea.

I'm thinking this, sorry Nikk, but this just made me think "WTF happened to Nikk and whoever hacked his account needs to go back to school and leave it alone now!"

Can't get behind this mate, sorry.

That reminds me.

I want one. Rainbow colored with little heart shaped love missiles that spread good feelings and free drugs to everyone.

Ok, first off, some of you are displaying more reactions to your own limits, than my idea itself.
The appearance of extreme difference is mere perspective, since like any tech two specialization it does not exist anywhere else.

This is a specialized aspect, for Tech two and limited to this ship only.

You will at no time ever have more ammo than you started with. The amount of ammo you carry is effectively the reserve you have to get you through to the next opportunity to perform a rollback, no more.

Point one: as a tech two battleship, this and the BLOPs are effectively the ultimate sub-caps in the game.
The blops has a role formerly limited to the titan exclusively, even though it has limits to this.

They SHOULD be the most desired sub-caps for this reason as well, and anything short of that is a design flaw.
(Being the hardest to get into as well as the most expensive are the balance points for this aspect)
Not everyone should try to fly these, simply because they are never meant to be cost effective to lose beyond simpler ships.

The ship's HUGE bonus? Nearly free ammo, and repairs, but only when available in exchange for a minor degree of risk.

Let's break that down, shall we? For the sake of perspective, since this is being called crazy by many.

I quote, from the description by CCP, to establish context:
Geared toward versatility and prolonged deployment in hostile environments, Marauders represent the cutting edge in today's warship technology...
Skipping the bit about mission oriented details, it then resumes:
Nevertheless, these thick-skinned, hard-hitting monsters are the perfect ships to take on long trips behind enemy lines.

By this description alone, the ships are MEANT to not need resupply or repair as frequently as other ships.

So, how do you make the dream a reality?
Use what the game already provides.

Civilian weapons already function without ammo. Unlimited firing, but awful damage... these come for free on every noob ship. The free to everyone in game is balanced by the awful damage, or else noone would ever use anything else.
This ships weapons don't even match that, regarding the unlimited firing free ammo. You can run out of ammo in an engagement.
The compromise: If you perform the rollback function, you get back all the ammo you used. No more, no less, and in the same amounts.
I tried to keep this simple, and avoid the obvious ammo creation exploit some would obviously expect. You are reusing ammo, nothing more.

The repair ability.
This should attract NO complaints, as every ship can do this already.
All they need to do is fit three modules, and everything will be fixed again.
Modules overheated? Nanopaste.

But like the HACs and AFs have built in durability other ships need modules to duplicate, the Marauder I propose has built in repair potential.

But to even use this ability, the Marauder needs to be exposed and vulnerable, unlike any other T2 ship in the game.

This is neither overpowered or crazy.

It simply, and ONLY, gives this ship extended function behind enemy lines.
It doesn't even make it better in any single fight.
But unlike other ships that need to get to a friendly port to resupply....
Nevertheless, these thick-skinned, hard-hitting monsters are the perfect ships to take on long trips behind enemy lines.

OK, I like that you've addressed what we thought was a crazy notion, as always I expected nothing less of you.

When looking into Marauders I read that description and took it into mind when I trained to L5: "long trips behind enemy lines" was, as I read it, due to the massive Cargo Hold 1225 m3 and the fact that (I've used a Golem as that is what I know) for every torpedo I fire I am in effect doing 200% damage with the bonus thus saving myself 1 torpedo. Now if I filled my entire Cargo Hold with Torps:

Scourge Javalin Torpedo: Volume: 0.1m3

Now I take that 1225/0.1 = 12250 (Total Supply) x 2 (Bonus of +100% damage) = 24,500 torpedos.

Now take that 24,500 and divide by 4 Launchers = 6,125 torpedos per launcher and divide that further by 30 torpedos per load and you get 204.16 reloads per launcher.

That's 204 reloads! That's a lot of firepower for one boat to carry...

That's what I took for that line to mean. For the repair side of life you'd have to fit the usual Armour Reps\Structure Reps and compromise your fit a little obviously but doesn't every ship have this choices and consequences to make?

EDIT: Now I agree that they need something doing to them, the +100% damage is lovely but perhaps a Local Repair Boost be it Shield\Armour\Structure it doesn't matter but say like "10% HP per Marauder Level" so if you fit a Small Armour Repair II you get the benefit of 2 x Small Armour Repair II's and lose less CPU\PG.

What are your thoughts to the above?

That, what I underlined in the last sentence, is the problem.

This is a specialized ship, supposedly above and beyond comparison to every other ship.

It needs to do this better, or stop pretending to be Tech two, and just be a second class choice to the easier to afford and train faction options.
Which is what it effectively is now.

Yeah, I do agree that your suggestions in this thread do address the supposed role of the Marauder I really think it needs something more. For example, the ammo side is a bit immaterial to the Amarr version so that would really suffer in comparison.

What might be perhaps better would be a mix of your two ideas. The emergency jump drive, out of combat self repair (as we've already covered that not being overpowered, I think) and a large ammo bay allowing for significant amounts of ammo so they can really stay out of stations for a long time. Something like 10,000m3 ammo bay.