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Peace is Boring

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Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#261 - 2013-08-28 15:16:04 UTC
bloodknight2 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?.


And yet, you haven't killed a single pvp ship. Oh sorry, i forgot. You killed a loki.


I haven't killed anyone yet :(
General Nusense
Doomheim
#262 - 2013-08-28 15:17:06 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


Eve is not boring if you dont have a long blue list. You should join another alliance that isnt blue with the CFC.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#263 - 2013-08-28 15:18:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
bloodknight2 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?.


And yet, you haven't killed a single pvp ship. Oh sorry, i forgot. You killed a loki.


I killed 10 times more ship then you in the timeframe whe played, there have been pvp ships included, even that alone more then you brought down, so stop talking and just go afk again

and stop talking about the early cynokills, bringing a catalyst to VFK and shooting cynos infront of mittanigrad one of the most frequent stations out there is more risk you would ever take, you guys never get shotdown not because you are so good, but just because you never go to your limit, and thats why you only shoot down one ship each month on average

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#264 - 2013-08-28 15:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Tron 3K wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?.


And yet, you haven't killed a single pvp ship. Oh sorry, i forgot. You killed a loki.


I haven't killed anyone yet :(


just try harder, or just kill a rock, nullsec alliances count it also as battle

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Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#265 - 2013-08-28 15:28:32 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?.


And yet, you haven't killed a single pvp ship. Oh sorry, i forgot. You killed a loki.


I haven't killed anyone yet :(


just try harder, or just kill a rock, nullsec alliances count it also as battle


YOU LIAR! You said you blocked me! If I do anything in this game it will be to destroy you! And I was joking I've killed people just not with this char since its my Industry char :)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#266 - 2013-08-28 15:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Harry Forever wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?.


And yet, you haven't killed a single pvp ship. Oh sorry, i forgot. You killed a loki.


I killed 10 times more ship then you in the timeframe whe played, there have been pvp ships included, even that alone more then you brought down, so stop talking and just go afk again

In June, July and August you killed 76 ships, Bloodknight2 killed 14, thats around 5.5 times as many, you're about 64 ships short Harry, even by your standards that was a terrible and instantly checkable lie.

Tron 3K wrote:

YOU LIAR! You said you blocked me! If I do anything in this game it will be to destroy you! And I was joking I've killed people just not with this char since its my Industry char :)
It seems he's incapable of using left click, block posts. I'm supposedly blocked as well, but Harry magically manages to reply to the ones he's supposedly not seen because they're blocked.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#267 - 2013-08-28 15:55:03 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?.


And yet, you haven't killed a single pvp ship. Oh sorry, i forgot. You killed a loki.


I haven't killed anyone yet :(


just try harder, or just kill a rock, nullsec alliances count it also as battle


YOU LIAR! You said you blocked me! If I do anything in this game it will be to destroy you! And I was joking I've killed people just not with this char since its my Industry char :)


ganking me with a hauler, thats something new, looking forward to that

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Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#268 - 2013-08-28 16:03:01 UTC
[quoting=Harry Forever][quoting=Tron 3K][quoting=Harry Forever][quoting=Tron 3K][quoting=bloodknight2][quoting=Harry Forever]
all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?.[/quoting]

And yet, you haven't killed a single pvp ship. Oh sorry, i forgot. You killed a loki.[/quoting]

I haven't killed anyone yet :([/quoting]

just try harder, or just kill a rock, nullsec alliances count it also as battle[/quoting]

YOU LIAR! You said you blocked me! If I do anything in this game it will be to destroy you! And I was joking I've killed people just not with this char since its my Industry char :)[/quoting]

ganking me with a hauler, thats something new, looking forward to that[/quoting]

Well I heard you sucked at EVE so it shouldn't be hard.
Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2013-08-28 16:44:31 UTC
Hell even a :shobon: as **** newbie could kill harry easy
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#270 - 2013-08-28 18:15:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Harry Forever wrote:

ganking me with a hauler, thats something new, looking forward to that
You mean like the hauler that provided the tackle on your 2xWCS Cov-ops loss?

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#271 - 2013-08-28 18:38:06 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.



Soooo go pick a fight. Attack a blue. Preferably one right next door. No need to worry about power projection, supply lines, hot drops... just all out brawl it down and see what happens.

That should be exciting.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#272 - 2013-08-28 18:39:30 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Na Und wrote:
Thank you for sharing. Is there a newsletter? I'd like to subscribe.

I realize this isn't exactly a new sentiment, and that's kind of my point.

Most of the entities in this game claim to enjoy fighting to some degree more than they enjoy the trappings of success. Battle reports across the game love to crow about good fights, about killboard stats, and so on. While those particular metrics of fun or success do not generally matter to me or to most goons the alternative is a boring peace where the only action in a given day is a small roaming gang that comes through and leaves before anyone can be bothered to report it much less form up and fight it.

Fear, according to Frank Herbert's Dune, is the mind-killer. I disagree: it's boredom.

This is a game about spaceships and space men shooting each other in space! We should be moving on from the Fountain Campaign to the next. War brings with it multiple fleets per day, of various doctrines, that everyone from a day old newbie to a bitter veteran can join or command. That sort of thing is good for the game, good for the economy, good for the press, and so on. In short, everyone wins when everyone is fighting (except for the loser, but no one likes a loser anyway). War brings with it a reason to log in, a reason to have several covops and scout accounts subscribed, and in general things to do that are much more emergent and engaging than PVE content can provide.

So let's have a war!



Boredom is the greatest content creator of all times.

Where do you think backstabs came from?

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#273 - 2013-08-28 18:40:15 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
Go shoot something then.

EDIT: I was a bit vague there, Most of the content is created by action, not sitting around. Stop being lead and start leading.

Yourself, a group, whatever, no point sitting around and doing nothing. Go live up the goonies name and kill something


Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party.

For the aggressor, it is a long and boring slog across a huge expanse of space with the promise of maybe. Maybe the aggressor will find and kill some renters who are ratting or mining; maybe the aggressor will stumble across a home defense fleet and have a brawl; or, most likely, everyone will safe up and ignore the aggressor until they get bored and go home. This is a somewhat infrequent occurrence, exactly because it stands so likely to end in boredom. Some groups, both within my alliance and in hostile alliance, undertake covert (or overt) deployments to enemy space and hotdrop them; but, even that is a bunch of sitting around and waiting for something to maybe happen, and it is very restrictive for what else someone can be doing. Newbies especially, and those people with only a single account, are hard-pressed to find something fun to do during peacetime exactly because of this.

War on the other hand is entirely different.

Once a war effort has been mobilized, there are things to do all day every day. Most days during the Fountain Campaign there were a dozen or more fleets that were formed up, and every form up was either to attack an objective or fight a hostile fleet. You could call a war theater a target rich environment: once deployed, on a large scale, there are enough things to shoot and enough people nearby and ready to shoot them that things can be shot more often than they cannot. Whether a member of the aggressor or defender forces, a player in a war theater has things to do. And because there are things to do, more people show up and in turn there occur even more things to do.

War is great, because everyone from brand new players to seasoned line members to fleet commanders have something to do pretty much whenever they log in. Peace is boring in that the opposite is true: unless you count shooting red crosses or mining to be "something to do," there is very little to be done during peacetime. And that is mostly a consequence of how big space is: as stated above, a day trip into hostile space is a several-region trek which just seems an insurmountable wall of apathy and effort, especially when there is no clear objective other than, "maybe we will muck about and kill a few dudes but most likely they will ignore us and we will go home bored."

So let's have a war!



Again. Blue ally. Next door. Shoot.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#274 - 2013-08-28 18:47:43 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.
Were you winning too fast?
Or simply expanded faster than you could make new frenemies?

You could thank RAZOR for kicking IRC down and out of Cobalt Edge, there goes your funny-stream.

I try not to blame people, because almost always I do not have full information about a situation; and, even if I did, blaming people doesn't exactly foster useful dialog.

This is not a thread about blame. This is a thread about solutions!

And there can be only one solution: War. Surely your own compatriots have more fun when they are in the midst of a war than they do when they are AFK-ratting anomalies, or fielding huge mining fleets. Regardless of the fact that our alliances are not on friendly terms, you and I are alike in that we both play this video game; and, I am willing to bet, we both find the game more engrossing and enjoyable when there are many things to do and many things to shoot. Is this not true of you, as well of me?



Well hmm.... maybe just reset your blues? Screw "coaltions" and alliances". You want war and conflict.

So punch your neighbor in the nose and get brawling.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#275 - 2013-08-28 18:48:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

ganking me with a hauler, thats something new, looking forward to that
You mean like the hauler that provided the tackle on your 2xWCS Cov-ops loss?


you are not even on the killboard dude, maybe start playing, and your friend is even worse, 10 solo kills in 4 yeras, lol, i beat you both in the first first month

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#276 - 2013-08-28 18:48:49 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Anna Karhunen wrote:
So... go talk to your superiors and Goons and get that war rolling. Shouting for it here in General Discussion won't get you anywhere.

You know, for a change of pace someone else could be the aggressor. Smile



I agree. Let's make it just Goons this time. Rip your coalition apart and step up!

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Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#277 - 2013-08-28 18:49:46 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
idgi

The Aristocrats



Eeevverrryybooodyyyy..... Eeeeevveerrryyyyybodddyyyy.... Eeeveeerrryyyybody wants to be a cat!

Oh wait. You said CRATS, not Cats.

Sorry.

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#278 - 2013-08-28 18:50:28 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


Juts hope you are getting your fair share of the rewards, or do you let said business managers tell you what is "fair"?


Juts out of curiosity, what division would you think I should deserve? I realize you do not trust my space bosses to tally up the right numbers, so I would love to see your breakdown over who should be given what.

For my part in the war, I think 15% is fair.



Anything less and you should shoot the messenger imo.

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#279 - 2013-08-28 18:51:18 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Anna Karhunen wrote:
So... go talk to your superiors and Goons and get that war rolling. Shouting for it here in General Discussion won't get you anywhere.

You know, for a change of pace someone else could be the aggressor. Smile

Well, N3 does exist to destroy GSF.

They came through in a HAC gang yesterday, but by the time I'd heard of it they were gone.

And this is exactly illustrative of the problem I am describing. Those guys came through looking for a fight. What did they get? I think they killed one cyno ship, and one guy in a shuttle. Had they lingered, I would have been happy to fight them. But why should they linger? They have no reason to believe that by lingering they will meet a relatively even force, and every minute they linger is another minute of boredom for them.

War fixes this by presenting the aggressor with a forward base near enough to the enemy that brawls can happen.



Don't you dare let them get away with that silliness.

Go teach them a lesson.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#280 - 2013-08-28 18:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Harry Forever wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

ganking me with a hauler, thats something new, looking forward to that
You mean like the hauler that provided the tackle on your 2xWCS Cov-ops loss?


you are not even on the killboard dude, maybe start playing, and your friend is even worse, 10 solo kills in 4 yeras, lol, i beat you both in the first first month

And your point is?

3 slots, 3 characters, 1 of which does appear on killboards. I mainly do PvE and industry, why the hell would I kill people with a PvE or industrial character when I have one that is neither of those things.

I see you still haven't figured out the block mechanism on the forums, here's an idiots guide for you the appropriate part is marked in white, you supposedly blocked me months ago

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