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Whitehound
#41 - 2013-08-28 11:11:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
RubyPorto wrote:
You claim that it is a problem for the game developers when players create content.

No. It can be, but it is for them to decide. I have made no such claim.

I will ignore the rest of your comment. Clearly you are mistaken quite a bit.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-08-28 13:21:56 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
I am saying that one and one is two, that it has players with grudges against the game maker and that the game is used to vent it off.

By using game mechanics to play a game the way it is intended to be played ? What?
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If you want to disagree then you have to come with a good explanation of why this cannot be, because I do not think any of this is news.

I think you should be the one comming up with better arguments .. you make the claim. Telling us to disprove your less then beleivable claim is kinda like a Christian or Muslim telling me to disprove their god.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-08-28 13:41:32 UTC
Best thing about this thread is seeing RubyPorto go into Tippia-mode. ^_^
Whitehound
#44 - 2013-08-28 13:43:21 UTC
Ressiv wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
I am saying that one and one is two, that it has players with grudges against the game maker and that the game is used to vent it off.

By using game mechanics to play a game the way it is intended to be played ? What?
Quote:
If you want to disagree then you have to come with a good explanation of why this cannot be, because I do not think any of this is news.

I think you should be the one comming up with better arguments .. you make the claim. Telling us to disprove your less then beleivable claim is kinda like a Christian or Muslim telling me to disprove their god.

You too believe that I made a claim? Go show me where.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-08-28 14:34:47 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Also why is this CCP's problem?

I am sure you only ask rhetorically like most other posters here in C&P do, because they too are haunted by their paranoia of what people could think about them if they asked a serious question. So you might as well just accept it and start a serious discussion. See who dares to participate without going stupid...

It is save to say that after 10 years of EVE there have been quite a number of players who have been banned by CCP for various breaches of the EULA. While I doubt many of them will have returned but moved on to some other game to lick their wounds, will some of these players have returned. None of them will hold a grudge against CCP after having lost all their accounts ...

Mind the bold here..

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Haha, who am I kidding, I am sure they hold a grudge. The Mittani started "Burn Jita" after he got kicked out of the CSM and after having received a 30 day ban, and I still remember stories about Helicity Boson, who started Hulkageddon, after receiving a ban. Just to name two popular players who had the guts to show their grudge. Bless them! And of course countless are the stories of kids who get anger fits when something about their game back fires. Anyhow, the point is that among all us fine and good EVE players there is also a group of EVE haters to be found. And even when this group of hate players is just very small will it grow just like everything else in and around EVE.

Now, if one would go out and try to find these players what signs would one be looking for?

I hope you find this question as amusing and entertaining as I do. Whatever your answer to the question is is it a problem created by CCP, and only the best and finest EVE players will smile upon it.

And again, mind the bold.

Claims made by you:

Begrudged players, having lost their accounts, come back to take their revenge.
The Mittani & Helicity Boson are examples of such players, and took their revenge by creating said events.
There is a problem with begrudged players.

And that's just at face value .. cuz one could argue that you implicitly accuse The Mittani and Helicity Boson of being EVE haters and their goal to be making the regular customers' life misserable.
Whitehound
#46 - 2013-08-28 14:48:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Ressiv wrote:
... and their goal to be making the regular customers' life misserable.

Again, show me where I make this claim.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#47 - 2013-08-28 14:49:44 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
You claim that it is a problem for the game developers when players create content.

No. It can be, but it is for them to decide. I have made no such claim.

I will ignore the rest of your comment. Clearly you are mistaken quite a bit.


Sure you have.

Whitehound wrote:
I hope you find this question as amusing and entertaining as I do. Whatever your answer to the question is is it a problem created by CCP, and only the best and finest EVE players will smile upon it.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Whitehound
#48 - 2013-08-28 14:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
RubyPorto wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
You claim that it is a problem for the game developers when players create content.

No. It can be, but it is for them to decide. I have made no such claim.

I will ignore the rest of your comment. Clearly you are mistaken quite a bit.


Sure you have.

Whitehound wrote:
I hope you find this question as amusing and entertaining as I do. Whatever your answer to the question is is it a problem created by CCP, and only the best and finest EVE players will smile upon it.


And what is it you do not understand about it?

The game and the forum is all created by CCP. A game is not more than a collection of problems needing to be solved by its players. Some are intentional, some are unintentional, still, it is all created by CCP.

There is also no player created content. The moment you click "Accept" on the EULA do you give up all your rights. It is all CCP's. You only think it is "your" spaceship, that it is "you" who created it, but it is in fact CCP.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-08-28 15:37:07 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Ressiv wrote:
... and their goal to be making the regular customers' life misserable.

Again, show me where I make this claim.


Reading comprehension skill needed I guess ? That was the part that is up for debate .. now go back and read the other part and try again.
Whitehound
#50 - 2013-08-28 15:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Ressiv wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Ressiv wrote:
... and their goal to be making the regular customers' life misserable.

Again, show me where I make this claim.


Reading comprehension skill needed I guess ? That was the part that is up for debate .. now go back and read the other part and try again.

And again, show me where I wrote it. Seems like you added this on your own. You might as well say why.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
#51 - 2013-08-28 15:58:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ST0NER SMURF
KevinleBeu wrote:
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Necro-Economics
#52 - 2013-08-28 16:03:18 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Best thing about this thread is seeing RubyPorto go into Tippia-mode. ^_^

I know, right? And he's making a damn fine show of it, too!
Lol
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#53 - 2013-08-28 18:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Whitehound wrote:
And what is it you do not understand about it?

The game and the forum is all created by CCP. A game is not more than a collection of problems needing to be solved by its players. Some are intentional, some are unintentional, still, it is all created by CCP.


I see what happened, you meant to say that it's a problem for the players, not for CCP. You didn't actually say that, but I see what you mean now. I don't think the addition of content is a problem for players, but I understand that sometimes players get upset when they become involved in the content creation process.

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There is also no player created content. The moment you click "Accept" on the EULA do you give up all your rights. It is all CCP's. You only think it is "your" spaceship, that it is "you" who created it, but it is in fact CCP.


There absolutely is player created content. The EULA only discusses ownership rights. Saying I created this keyboard I'm typing on simply because I own it is nonsensical, just like it's nonsensical to say that CCP created Burn Jita or Hulkageddon simply because they own the rights to virtually everything involved.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-08-28 19:11:44 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Ressiv wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Ressiv wrote:
... and their goal to be making the regular customers' life misserable.

Again, show me where I make this claim.


Reading comprehension skill needed I guess ? That was the part that is up for debate .. now go back and read the other part and try again.

And again, show me where I wrote it. Seems like you added this on your own. You might as well say why.


You understand the meaning of 'could' and 'implicitly' ? (as far as I spelled them correct)
Whitehound
#55 - 2013-08-28 19:50:46 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
And what is it you do not understand about it?

The game and the forum is all created by CCP. A game is not more than a collection of problems needing to be solved by its players. Some are intentional, some are unintentional, still, it is all created by CCP.


I see what happened, you meant to say that it's a problem for the players, not for CCP. You didn't actually say that, but I see what you mean now. I don't think the addition of content is a problem for players, but I understand that sometimes players get upset when they become involved in the content creation process.

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There is also no player created content. The moment you click "Accept" on the EULA do you give up all your rights. It is all CCP's. You only think it is "your" spaceship, that it is "you" who created it, but it is in fact CCP.


There absolutely is player created content. The EULA only discusses ownership rights. Saying I created this keyboard I'm typing on simply because I own it is nonsensical, just like it's nonsensical to say that CCP created Burn Jita or Hulkageddon simply because they own the rights to virtually everything involved.

I am glad we are somewhat on the same page now. Know the EULA is not some piece of a discussion. It is a legal document listing terms and conditions to which we agreed, making it an agreement. All you do is to interact with a client, which itself is CCP's and the only content created is the content on the servers, which are also CCP's. You may think that by pressing a key you have created something, but it is the client that interprets it, then creates a message and sends it to the servers where it then is interpreted again and eventually becomes content, all created by CCP. We are free to believe that it is our creation, just like we can believe that it is our ships. It is not necessary for us to have a particular believe in order for CCP's game to work.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Whitehound
#56 - 2013-08-28 20:03:03 UTC
Ressiv wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Ressiv wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Ressiv wrote:
... and their goal to be making the regular customers' life misserable.

Again, show me where I make this claim.


Reading comprehension skill needed I guess ? That was the part that is up for debate .. now go back and read the other part and try again.

And again, show me where I wrote it. Seems like you added this on your own. You might as well say why.


You understand the meaning of 'could' and 'implicitly' ? (as far as I spelled them correct)

Yes, I often see dumb people doing it.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#57 - 2013-08-28 23:51:26 UTC
OP, you might be interested in reading this thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171464

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-08-29 02:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
KevinleBeu wrote:

What the **** CCP doing?

We can't afk autopilot in hightsec, correct this CCP !


Wow I couldn't stop laughing.... Thanks OP! I think this is awesome!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#59 - 2013-08-29 05:28:10 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
I am glad we are somewhat on the same page now. Know the EULA is not some piece of a discussion. It is a legal document listing terms and conditions to which we agreed, making it an agreement. All you do is to interact with a client, which itself is CCP's and the only content created is the content on the servers, which are also CCP's. You may think that by pressing a key you have created something, but it is the client that interprets it, then creates a message and sends it to the servers where it then is interpreted again and eventually becomes content, all created by CCP. We are free to believe that it is our creation, just like we can believe that it is our ships. It is not necessary for us to have a particular believe in order for CCP's game to work.



I see, you are saying that, simply because I own the keyboard I'm typing this on, I created this keyboard. Cool.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-08-29 05:56:25 UTC
Whitehound wrote:

You may think that by pressing a key you have created something, but it is the client that interprets it, then creates a message and sends it to the servers where it then is interpreted again and eventually becomes content, all created by CCP. We are free to believe that it is our creation, just like we can believe that it is our ships. It is not necessary for us to have a particular believe in order for CCP's game to work.


Did anyone hear morpheus's voice and see 1 & 0s running down the sceen while they were reading this part?