Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are very clingy to your perception of comparing hulls based on their bonus-layout. I for one believe there is more to that ship than just a bonus. Yet alone take a HPL and a 425mm AC, the pulse laser will work just fine using scorch without ever bothering for TEs, the AC won't hurt beyond 5km ever without them. So while other Hulls need modules to extend their range beyond the most basic, the abso surely does not (HPL covering all of the range that could e described with linked shiny tacklerange by using scorch, beams even start out with some 650dps on the abso ANYWHERE within pointrange, given your target is properly tackled.

The Current Abso got basically it needs, but capacitor. So one of your 3 mids is most likely going to be a cap booster, unless brawlfit with NOSes (I personally am more of a fan of dualmed neuts and a cap booster even with HPL, but apparently in lowsec they just fit NOSes).

A long time ago and then over and over again: That capacitoruse bonus for Amarrian Spaceships used to make them viable at all, the same way that autocannons without falloffbonus are near unbearable or railplatforms (as eagle/harpy) got double optimal bonus to punch rails up to compete with other BS longrange guns (95km range on harpies, significantly more on an eagle)

- I dislike the Absos damage growing beyond that what it can accomplish right now. For everything but solo or minigang, beams should become pretty standard for the abso, thanks to the ability to project their dps up to 60km, optimal to be mentioned., while aso covering the first 20km using IN multifreq. With a random scrubfit (plate, 2 hardeners, eanm, dcu, 2 heat sinks) you're still looking at some 620dps the first 20km. While having a tank to make a BS a jealous one. If you're really scrub and go for a third HS (personally like a TE/EM-Hardener a lot more), you can even punch the dps up a notch, realising something close to the 700s with multi and beams. Should be noted that beams got a really nice tracking.

As far as pvp fits go, expect 90% of the CS to be buffertanked. (Counting Sleips and Claymores with a single XL-ASB to the buffertanked ones), given the Astartes ongoing struggle with range and speed, don't expect it to be really used a lot in solosituations. Eos will most likely (or as I'd assume) be the one used for solo, as drones in general allow you to adapt quickly to the situation. The Sleipnir has been used a lot solo, and will continue to do so, as it's stats were nothing but mildly enhanced and fitting for some UBERconfigs removed.

Tl;dr: I believe that your particular suggestion isn't constructive for lowsec pvp afterall, absos are one of the more dominant ships in comparison already, will receive a stealthy mini cap buff anyways due to 5 instead of 6 guns, overall a ship that has everything you want for its playstyle, putting aside a strong enough capacitor to never be in need of a cap transfer, NOS or cap booster.

a statement like this needs a reasoned argument behind it, backed with numerical evidence and documented playtesting to be taken seriously.

So better DPS with fewer weapon slots. Improved tanking on an already strong set of hulls. Hell yes.

I'll take a slight nerf to the link bonuses in exchange for the ability to get two bonuses from one module in the Navy versions.

Can any balancing compensate for the great big "Shoot Me!" sign command ships have in fleet actions?

Hi, what about the skills? Pyfa shows me command ships will need all warfare skills to 5, but i fly command ship now and i have only one to 5. Does it mean i will have to skill them or shall we get skills for free? (as usual)
Sorry for asking if it was answered earlier in this thread, but is is 94 pages now and i dont want to read it all :-)

So what not only are they going to be ongrid they are going to have to run by squad? With a 250m mindlink in my head.

Not ******* likely.

The mindlinks are becoming significantly cheaper as they're moving to the LP stores. The estimate that was give was ~80m for the normal mindlinks, probably a lot more if you get the dual bonus ones.

As a sidenote I find it entertaining that they try to say that the economy is player driven, but they're pretty much admitting that they set the price of LP items.

No.... those were estimates of the cost of said links based on their extensive internal economic data.

They know how much people charge per LP point for most items, what the demand for links is, and how much they are going to cost in the store.

This price will likely go up or down with demand and the economy in general over time, this is simply their estimate of the starting price based on current factors.

If that's an issue you can always run without the mindlink, though that said, if you looked at the mindlink changes you'd see that they aren't going to be that expensive after 1.1 for the versions we have now.

The price will go up or down, but they set the LP rewards for incursions/FW, set the LP cost of faction items, and they set the flat isk cost of the items. Arguing that they're not doing some soft price setting is flat out ignorant.