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What she/he/it is saying is that the skills she trained was for pve, because she/he/it has no inclination to do anything else. Thus they would be wasted, from she/he/it's perspective.

Non-consensual groping and poking frightens some.

Nope, but for some, they already have everything sorted, the fits are always the same, the routine is set and what you are suggesting will disrupt the mindless isk flow.

Another thing I wouldn't mind seeing overhauled is the actual design of missions. Right now there are some cool set pieces, but everything is so far apart that only the truly huge props are significant. We were running a Blood Raider--I don't know, I think it was a DED 8/10--in nullsec, and I had LCOs off my active overview tab because they're useless spam 99.9% of the time--either it's so huge that I can see it on screen, or it's a mission objective that I can switch to another tab to look for, or I don't care about it. So it took someone else with a different overview to point out the Federation Navy Megathrons parked on site.

Fed Navy Megathrons in a Blood Raider site? Cool! Lore! Intrigue! But it never goes anywhere, and after you've been in enough missions with interminable wall sections to drive LCOs off your working overview, you're probably not going to notice things like that anyway: Megathrons are, hilariously, too small to stand out on their own in the average high-end site.

Cruise are great for PvE... much less so for PvP.

Yes, having Amarr, Minmatarr and Gallente BS to IV and Caldari BS to V is terribly useful for PvP, specially if you avoid PvP.

PvP game or not, you have to get your gear somehow.

Some food for thought here:

Loss of efficiency
As fun as PvP ops might be, PvE still is pretty much a solo thing, do it in groups and you usually loose efficiency. (if thats not a bad thing in an MMO I dont know)

Entertainment:
People play games for entertainment. Since most entertaining activities cost isk, you need to replenish that somehow. Problem is … most ways to do so fail massively in that regard.

Social aspect (or forever alone)
People tend to play multiplayer games to play with other players. With the exception of higher class WHs and incursions, that is highly discouraged. You simply loose too much efficiency.
DED plexes are flown with alts, and so are lvl 5s in many cases. And since they totally wreck standings its a no-go for many that otherwise would want to try that
There is no point in sharing PvE experience with anyone in your corp let alone with a 'neighbour' corp in the same station. (that would encourage sticking together when one gets wardecced)

Random (IN-SPACE) Encounters:
Back in the day when I started playing eve there was a mission that spawned some kilometres off real stargates. I struggled with that mission, someone saw it on his travels, and used that opportunity to show off his badass deimos and helped me. He even asked me for my fit and explained why hull+shiled+armor tanking isnt that great of an Idea

Nowadays the only social in-space interaction you will experience in PvE is getting ganked or ninja salvaged.

Flow of knowledge
The probability of finding someone flying a “fail fit” or being bad at piloting as a function of playtime is is really bad in eve. Much worse than in any other multiplayer game I have tried yet. There is just no way to see other players doing their stuff, and asking … wow how can you tank that in that ship, what am I doing wrong?

Deadspace Prison
Amplified by warp to zero there are hardly any situations where you are not totally alone and isolated. Station / Warp / Deadspace
Chats are no substitute for real interaction.
Beeing mostly alone during isk-grinding is a major turn-off for many new players I meet. (im mentoring & training new players for quite a while now)

DPS is everything
Specialisation is key in EvE you say? Well if you want to make isk in PvE you need a DPS-boat. In other games some like to just be the “healer”. Try making isk with a tech 1 logistic ship in EvE. Or tackler … or ecm. Apart from very niche or high-end gameplay you wont make a penny with that.

Positive Example: Incursions
Vanguards are as grindy as it gets, but are still much more fun than anything else (for many) because you are not alone in space, and you have other roles than “schoot everything”. You need Fcs logistics, long/short-range, even hackers.
And when it comes to HQs (when armor-fleets still had the numbers to do them) I loved them. The danger of ship loss, … everything
I dare-say Incursions did more against fail-fits and for pilot skill than any other PvE content in eve that I'm aware of.

I've heard FW is nice, but for those that don't want to wreck their standings its a no-go anyway (include pirate factions and I'm sold, its okay if they hate me )

PLEASE
Give me something that I can do with a bunch of tech 1 cruisers + frigates+logistics and still make more money than anyone would do soloing missions.
That would help soooo much with player retention in my oppinion!
Bonus pockets in misisons designed for fleets maybe? (Ill let other figure that one out)

I would very much like to know what you think about these points.

Doh, I forgot those. Pick your Poison is a funny one, specially when it's time to GTFO... Amarran provide such a nice lightshow!

That was one of the venues i studied when i tried to figure how to add more PvE to the game, but it's unlikely that it is feasible. Very likely the misison editor is a legacy tool generally incompatible with the current builds, undocumented becasue cCP didn't used to document anything in the past, and maybe the last person who knew how to use it just left the company in the years since new missions were added.

Put in short, it should be done from scratch, and in that context, a dynamic system like I suggested look more promising. Players would earn poitns and could spend them to set up missions with certain common elements (ships, gates, rooms) for a set cost, and skill modifiers to those costs. The mission wouldn't require agents nor text lines, maybe not even explanation: just a bounty, a type, and a level. Players would spend points to get damage/tank intelligence and succesful completing missions would also grant points to be used on other agents and obtain other advantages.

Well, I already outlined that above.

And I insist: there is no need to let PvP dictate the gameplay of PvE.

It's feasible, it's just a question of making it a high enough priority to get developer time. The developers for both WildStar and EQ Next took the time to develop robust construction tools, and early signs are that they will pay off. You know who else is taking the time to develop robust construction tools? CCP, in Atlanta, for World of Darkness. Given that, I don't think the idea's a hard sell.

The hard sell is making it any kind of near-term priority over all of the other stuff that needs to be--I believe the current euphemism is "iterated on."

The old misison system still would be in place to provide a steady income source.

But players should be enabled to generate PvE content in a meaningful manner -one that meant PvP at the bottom, just not I-gank-you PvP. Feather is mightier than the sword, you know. Acccesing a high profile NPC agent could mean the difference in a war -SHOULD mean, if someone was willing to put up the time, the cunning, the effort to climb up the clientele ladder and reach the top brass of an Empire.

Capsuleers should be something to be reckoned, able to have an influence on Empries, not because they are club-slinging chimps at nullsec, bragging to have the biggest d*ck and the largest army of d*ck suckers, but because they're smart, wealthy and influential political actors in empire space. Because to a NPC, a capsuleer may be the difference between life and death, success or failure, and that NPC has got access to the power of empires to pay back the favor. Space interdiction, police prosecution, market boycott, even the occasional dark operation and getting ganked by NPC in a quiet lowsec sector...

But alas, I am dreaming. I am daring, and CCP is not. Probably they will murder the existing PvE content to please PvPrs and call it a day.