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Nullsec is fine, its your fault that you made it like this.

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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-11-13 07:53:26 UTC
At one point in history when people were put down and told they couldn't succeed they would have tried harder. Don't hold your breath for that to be the norm again! Posts like this are the future!

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#42 - 2011-11-13 08:03:39 UTC
One thing that would really jazz it up is the ability to dial in a system to system warp for most ships, whether by module, rig or hull.

The gank pipelines and hence the gankaholics along with the usual use of renter space as killing fields have managed to form a Great Wall of Carebear around high sec. The gates, and the mechanics around them, lead to gate camps and blobs. The gate camp and the warp bubble reign. Remove the dependency on them and the age of the Combat Probe and small patrol begins.

There's a thread for system to system hyperwarp in F&I.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#43 - 2011-11-13 08:53:35 UTC
Posting in another thread full of people who do not live in null.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#44 - 2011-11-13 09:25:09 UTC
Parsee789 wrote:
Its not CCP's fault that nullsec is bad, its the players fault.

Just like Lowsec is, pirates kill people and laugh at them and tell them to go back to highsec.

A month later they complain that people aren't coming lowsec. They then whine and cry like little babies about how highsec and nullsec needs to be nerfed.

The same applies to nullsec, mindless blobs gank people that come in and tell them to go carebear in highsec.

A year later they complain that nullsec is dying and they need CCP to get more people in nullsec.

Please CCP, there is nothing wrong with Nullsec and there are plenty of isk and opportunities to become rich. It is the fault of the alliances and the people there that make it so.

Trying to fix nullsec and lowsec is trying to make someone quit drugs, its pretty much impossible. They won't change so no

matter what Nullsec will remain as it is.

There are plenty of people living in nullsec, nothing needs to be changed.


It's the player fault that they create... coalition that take half of 0.0 and then WHINE that they don't have REDs to shoot...

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Citizen of Solitude

Mahakaharashi RedEagle
Doomheim
#45 - 2011-11-13 09:39:02 UTC
Parsee789 wrote:
Its not CCP's fault that nullsec is bad, its the players fault.

No, it's never players fault because players will always tend to do the same thing in any given setup. So it's all about the game mechanics - change that, and players will behave differently.
Ann133566
Doomheim
#46 - 2011-11-13 09:42:13 UTC
well... They could limit the number of people in a corp and the number of people in an alliance.... the tears would be awsome
Solhild
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-11-13 09:44:40 UTC
Parsee789 wrote:
Its not CCP's fault that nullsec is bad, its the players fault.

Just like Lowsec is, pirates kill people and laugh at them and tell them to go back to highsec.

A month later they complain that people aren't coming lowsec. They then whine and cry like little babies about how highsec and nullsec needs to be nerfed.

The same applies to nullsec, mindless blobs gank people that come in and tell them to go carebear in highsec.

A year later they complain that nullsec is dying and they need CCP to get more people in nullsec.

Please CCP, there is nothing wrong with Nullsec and there are plenty of isk and opportunities to become rich. It is the fault of the alliances and the people there that make it so.

Trying to fix nullsec and lowsec is trying to make someone quit drugs, its pretty much impossible. They won't change so no

matter what Nullsec will remain as it is.

There are plenty of people living in nullsec, nothing needs to be changed.


A compelling argument here. Well done sir.
Lord Mandelor
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#48 - 2011-11-13 09:48:27 UTC
Ann133566 wrote:
well... They could limit the number of people in a corp and the number of people in an alliance.... the tears would be awsome

It won't matter what official restrictions are. People can still work together without official stamps on everything.
Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-11-13 10:03:34 UTC
The problem is not the players so much as it is CCP. CCP allows Null sec to be choked off, with perma running bubble gate camps. If they want high sec carebears to move into null sec, then they need to tear down those walls!
Ann133566
Doomheim
#50 - 2011-11-13 10:10:44 UTC
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
The problem is not the players so much as it is CCP. CCP allows Null sec to be choked off, with perma running bubble gate camps. If they want high sec carebears to move into null sec, then they need to tear down those walls!


Carebears know they will be target practice.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#51 - 2011-11-13 10:15:43 UTC
Whoever said the Op is wrong for accounting for normal human behavior needs to move to a third world country where that is normal.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#52 - 2011-11-13 10:20:55 UTC
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
The problem is not the players so much as it is CCP. CCP allows Null sec to be choked off, with perma running bubble gate camps. If they want high sec carebears to move into null sec, then they need to tear down those walls!


It's hilariously easy to move through 0.0 if you try some other method than "Get in Raven, set autopilot, activate autopilot".

Would you like to know more?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#53 - 2011-11-13 10:25:02 UTC
Ann133566 wrote:
well... They could limit the number of people in a corp and the number of people in an alliance.... the tears would be awsome


yeah, special the tears from all the veteran NPC corpmembers that get pushed in their own 1 man corp to make room for new players Twisted
Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2011-11-13 10:52:16 UTC
Not all low and null players are douches. Im trying to get my PVP on at the mo and the learning curve isnt too steep, strap guns to ship and pew. Once you are over getting ships blown up and getting podded (which happens less than you would think!) that side of it isn't to bad. I have met more people in low sec who are talk than i ever have in high sec. The guys in BREAD have been very cool as has the others who have shot at me, ransomed me and generally given me tips. - During the week at any rate.

Now what i have discovered is that low sec apears to have no one in it, seriously it's a bit boring. There are no small gangs, there is mainly 1 on 1, at least between Amarr and Gallantee space (Domani, Sing Laison etc.).

Partly this is becasue of Low secs rep i think, but also some low sec players are douches. If you educate high sec players in pvp, if you encourage small corps to set up you will get your pew on. The problem is those small corps will get murdered simply becasue there is no one there. A friend of mine, who is a dedicated pirate, has recently come up to high sec becasue low sec has got boring, tells you a lot really dosn't it.

I have only played in Null a little, and that was the training wheels npc null and bubble camps (i cant fly a raven or proteus so bubble camps hurt) ended the fun for me. As a Neutral you are a victim waiting to happen, i will say again however there are some cool people who will give tips and help, but a samll group or one person really dosn't have any impact. If you want samll gangs running around null you need to give 'em an ability to affect the world around them.

Hell if all the high sec greifers though they could go and grief null sec alliance i reckon they would be all over it (unless of course they are high sec griefing because its safe with little risk, see what i did there ;) )

There is a problem with the people, but also there needs to be system changes. Not sure what, but OP is mainly right.
Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#55 - 2011-11-13 11:01:04 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
The problem is not the players so much as it is CCP. CCP allows Null sec to be choked off, with perma running bubble gate camps. If they want high sec carebears to move into null sec, then they need to tear down those walls!


It's hilariously easy to move through 0.0 if you try some other method than "Get in Raven, set autopilot, activate autopilot".

Would you like to know more?

nullsec ain't worth it. I don't need to know more. You have been around long enough to know that when CCP introduced warp bubbles it messed up nullsec. The only thin that is "hilariously easy" is gate camping with warp bubbles.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2011-11-13 11:29:22 UTC
If people are that soft skinned they cant take a bit of banter from people in local maybe they should go back to hisec. HTFU for crying out loud. You sound like a band of little kids

Justin Credulent wrote:


Exactly. EVE is player driven. If the carebears in null-sec really wanted some action, they'd wardaec eachother.


wat?

Clearly you don't know what youre talking about
proxwar
Doomheim
#57 - 2011-11-13 11:38:43 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:


Justin Credulent wrote:


Exactly. EVE is player driven. If the carebears in null-sec really wanted some action, they'd wardaec eachother.


wat?

Clearly you don't know what youre talking about


Far from being a null vet myself, i have to question this? Elaborate some.

Null is full of big alliances with thousands of players, 99% of which complain that null is boring and CCP owes it to them for some reson to fix what you yourselves broke.

Usually the most obvious solution is the right one, if you null sec bears are bored, it because you blueball everybody within reach to protect your RMT bot operations, ergo, if you want constant unrestricted PVP ( which is the whole point of null ) then red each other and pew pew to your hearts content.

Problem solved.

You lot always call high seccers bears for not coming into low/null, yet there are no bigger hypocrties than yourselves, your all carebears in null by your own choice, you just dont like people knowing it.

You guys made null into the place it is now, so stop whining that it need buffing when your the ones that made it into the boring void its become.
Grace Chang
Tyrannis Enterprises
#58 - 2011-11-13 11:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Grace Chang
To OP: you are wrong.

You can't blame people for behaving egocentric and powerhungry in nullsec. That is how they are/play in this game. It is CCP job to design the sandbox around this premise and make it work for many people REGARDLESS. I have to admit that is probably tough, because people come up with new and exciting ways of being assholes all the time :) (not that that is necessarily a bad thing in a game like this).

Telling people just to be "nice" and "moral" is just foolish. That doesn't even work in RL.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2011-11-13 11:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
proxwar wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:


Justin Credulent wrote:


Exactly. EVE is player driven. If the carebears in null-sec really wanted some action, they'd wardaec eachother.


wat?

Clearly you don't know what youre talking about


Far from being a null vet myself, i have to question this? Elaborate some.

Null is full of big alliances with thousands of players, 99% of which complain that null is boring and CCP owes it to them for some reson to fix what you yourselves broke.

Usually the most obvious solution is the right one, if you null sec bears are bored, it because you blueball everybody within reach to protect your RMT bot operations, ergo, if you want constant unrestricted PVP ( which is the whole point of null ) then red each other and pew pew to your hearts content.

Problem solved.

You lot always call high seccers bears for not coming into low/null, yet there are no bigger hypocrties than yourselves, your all carebears in null by your own choice, you just dont like people knowing it.

You guys made null into the place it is now, so stop whining that it need buffing when your the ones that made it into the boring void its become.


Nice broad generalisation there. 99% of null seem to be pretty dam content with shooting each other right now. Yeah maybe it would be nice to have more targets, yea maybe it would be nice if anomalies payed out as much as they used to so that i can get back on the horse a bit quicker. But **** man, maybe you should spend less time on the forums and more time playing. Maybe then youd see that 99% of players in null are pretty chill.

The only reason why I posted is cus there's a lot of people who clearly dont know what theyre talking about...
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-11-13 11:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hauling Hal
Aruken Marr wrote:

99% of null seem to be pretty dam content with shooting each other right now.


This line implies only 1% of null have blued each other, which is either a troll or you're too insignificant/stupid/ignorant to know any better.