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Mixing guns of the same size & type

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-12 07:59:36 UTC
Do you reckon it's fine? It's done all the time with blasters, but why not with anything else?
I've recently cooked up the following fit:


[Harbinger, Solo]

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
[Empty High slot]

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution

Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Valkyrie II x5


Obviously, the fit needs some changes. I may replace some Heavy Pulses with more Focused Medium Pulses in order to fit that high slot, and probably replace the sebo.

Comparing the guns -
Focused Medium Pulse Laser: 6.75+3.75km range, 0.112 tracking
Heavy Pulse Laser: 7.5+5km, 0.102 tracking

All out Heavy Pulses would force me to an 800mm plate, and make the Damage Control meta.
All out Focused Medium Pulses would leave me with 20% powergrid to spare, and less dps.

So, is mixing fine if all guns operate at the same range and receive damage bonuses?
Aamrr
#2 - 2011-11-12 08:07:25 UTC
It's not ideal, but it's not criminal either. If you find the benefits outweigh the small variation in range and tracking, go for it.

I believe the Harbinger, in particular, benefits from this. You've chosen a very typical example.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#3 - 2011-11-12 09:08:57 UTC
This is particularly common with blaster frigs and cruisers. It's not uncommon to see a nearly full rack of neutrons/ions, with an ion/electron tagged on the end for fitting purposes.

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#4 - 2011-11-12 09:15:03 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
This is particularly common with blaster frigs and cruisers. It's not uncommon to see a nearly full rack of neutrons/ions, with an ion/electron tagged on the end for fitting purposes.


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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-12 22:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
DarkAegix wrote:
So, is mixing fine if all guns operate at the same range and receive damage bonuses?


Yeah. Unless you have something in mind to fill the spare fitting, might as well get as much DPS out of your ship as possible.
JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#6 - 2011-11-12 22:28:14 UTC
Yes this kind of gun mixing is fine.

You will still hear "Don't mix guns noob", but it's only noobs that will be saying that.
Goose99
#7 - 2011-11-12 22:38:36 UTC
JackStraw56 wrote:
Yes this kind of gun mixing is fine.

You will still hear "Don't mix guns noob", but it's only noobs that will be saying that.


That's toward long range guns in pve. The range difference among short range guns, especially blasters, are much smaller, thus it's not as big an issue.
Any Guy
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-11-12 23:08:45 UTC
The other advantage lasers have in this situation is that with their wide range of crystals you can use different crystals to get the same optimals for your guns.
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-13 00:34:11 UTC
Like all rules of this type, it's meant to be broken. If, and only if, you understand exactly why you're doing it.
laffbot
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-11-13 00:37:29 UTC
No

you want a nuet in the high slot

drop the sebo for a cap booster and fit focused II
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-13 03:44:07 UTC
thread hijack.

[Armageddon, Tach geddon]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Power Diagnostic System II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S
Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S
Small Remote Armor Repair System II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Ogre II x5


Comments?
P.S. And no, im not flying that... yet :)
Goose99
#12 - 2011-11-13 03:46:04 UTC
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
thread hijack.

[Armageddon, Tach geddon]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Power Diagnostic System II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S
Medium Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S
Small Remote Armor Repair System II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Ogre II x5


Comments?
P.S. And no, im not flying that... yet :)


Fit megapulse.
Cunane Jeran
#13 - 2011-11-13 05:05:44 UTC
I'm of the firm belief the only time mixing guns is with blasters, (3 Ions 5 electrons on a dual rep hype for example) to get the most damage, as your range is all kinds of terrible no matter what the size is.

Generally mixing longer range guns in with shorter is balancing the different optimal and falloffs of the guns, if your not careful you could be loosing a lot of potential out of the shorter range smaller guns

Though in your case this problem is easily mitigated with lasers 1 second reload time to keep both in optimal at all times.
Emily Poast
The Whipping Post
#14 - 2011-11-13 09:58:43 UTC
Yoeh, its ok if you aee mixing different sizes of the same class, as long as they are in the same general range class. Dont do blasters and rails on the sme ship though.

On of the most famous pvp video series (by Kil2) has a perfect example. One of the ships he flew alot was a Mega fit kinda like this:

5xElectron
2xIon
Large Neut

Propmod, web, scra, cap booster

LAR x1, 2x 1600 RTP, EANM, Mag Sta, DCU.

I dont have eft here, but i am pretty sure that is close. It was a very successful ship.