These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Peace is Boring

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-08-27 15:35:35 UTC
Mellisa Jade wrote:
William Walker wrote:
Mellisa Jade wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.



Fairly sure US/UK/FR Forces will be going head to head with Russian and Chinese troops in Syria any day now. Hold onto your hats. Things are about to get FUBAR.

It's so crazy. Why would Assad and his army, clearly with the upper hand in the war against the Islamist rebels, use chemical weapons? It would be an invitation to give other, western, countries and excuse to march in there and dispose of Assad. It's not like they aren't already supporting the rebels. "Humanitarian" my ass. Do you think a ragtag team of rebels from, not only Syria, but Iran, Egypt, Morocco, even Germany, France and Belgium, fighting for an Islamic caliphate in Syria, would have any idea how to make chemical weapons? Let alone use them effectively?

And why do you think the UN was being shot at when they tried to get on the site of the supposed regime-executed chemical attack? So they don't find out the truth.

Syria - our little puppet of the '10s. Iraq was the '00s. Serbia the '90s. Afghanistan the '80s. It goes on and on.

Just now, SPIEGEL.de, a brittle facade of journalism of what it once was, declared that Syria could "also potentially support Lebanon with biological or chemical weapons". See how the media tries to influence us? "Also support" as if they were already using them! Ridiculous!


I guess the most significant thing about all this, at the end of the day, is that; the UNITED NATIONS is now being completly undermined and has very little perpose in the contemporary world.

Once WW3 is done there will be need for a new version of the League of Nations (defunct) United Nations (defunct)

This will be the one World Government.


Stinks of Freep

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#162 - 2013-08-27 15:36:20 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
[quote=William Walker]
Yay mercs! I'd be looking forward to mass small gang roaming events and... uuuh... ran out of steam there. But mass small gang roaming still sounds like fun.


Why is it that after every major nullsec war there is a resurgence of people praising ~wulfpax~ on the forums?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#163 - 2013-08-27 15:36:46 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.

Nothing is stopping you from starting one.

Enjoy it.


I am doing my best to goad someone into attacking us. Sad

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#164 - 2013-08-27 15:37:56 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Isaac Collins wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.

Declare war on eve, Start destroying every poco you see, you're bound to ruffle some jimmies and get the blood flowing again.

Who even cares about pocos?


Anyone that produces or uses tech II, pos fuels and any other items that require planetary produced items?


Is there such a bottleneck that any one region of space is worth taking for its planet resources?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#165 - 2013-08-27 15:38:56 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


Yea, war. Especially since you outnumber anyone you would go up against at about 10 to 1.

I hear a lot about carebears in this game, but you can't get any more carebear than this:



What means this word, "carebear?" Is it something to fight a war over?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#166 - 2013-08-27 15:39:39 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:

Don't bad mouth elite pvpers!


VFK by Summer 2012! TwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwisted

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#167 - 2013-08-27 15:40:54 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:

So let's have a war!


Well, the precedent is Alexander weeping because he had no more worlds to conquer. Same for Genghis Khan's successor Khans, more or less. If you build your empire through fighting, peace becomes boredom and stagnation. So, if following history, the next stage should be stagnation, then the outbreak of a vicious internal power struggle, and eventually a split into smaller rival factions. If not at war with each other, than at least despising each other as traitors. How about giving it a try, GSF/CFC? Could be fun. Blink

BTW, bummer that our high sec guerillas ops aren't providing sufficient entertainment yet. We're working on it, but the effects are still pretty much limited to local individual CFC members....


From what I have seen, the Ice Interdiction is keeping plenty of folks entertained during certain hours. The problem from my perspective is that it is just a temporary, niche thing. I suppose that one could define a war similarly, but, meh.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#168 - 2013-08-27 15:58:50 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:

So let's have a war!


Well, the precedent is Alexander weeping because he had no more worlds to conquer. Same for Genghis Khan's successor Khans, more or less. If you build your empire through fighting, peace becomes boredom and stagnation. So, if following history, the next stage should be stagnation, then the outbreak of a vicious internal power struggle, and eventually a split into smaller rival factions. If not at war with each other, than at least despising each other as traitors. How about giving it a try, GSF/CFC? Could be fun. Blink

BTW, bummer that our high sec guerillas ops aren't providing sufficient entertainment yet. We're working on it, but the effects are still pretty much limited to local individual CFC members....


From what I have seen, the Ice Interdiction is keeping plenty of folks entertained during certain hours. The problem from my perspective is that it is just a temporary, niche thing. I suppose that one could define a war similarly, but, meh.

So I guess that means you're not going to incite an internal civil war or seize power via a coup d'état? Come on, stop thinking small. As a not very bright teenage girl once said: YOLO
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#169 - 2013-08-27 16:10:50 UTC
Wow, Lyris, I am impressed, really.

That was 29 posts in 50 minutes.

With perfect grammar and without typos.

Shocked

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#170 - 2013-08-27 16:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


just blast spacemonkeys, you should execute a corp in the CFC to assure the others don't mess with you... its evil but it has to be done from time to time to assure you don't lock like softies, nullsec has to be ruled with an iron fist to keep it under control


But if we looked big and mean, then we might scare you away. And we can't have that! Space friends?


thanks for making a big chatbox out of the game


Don't you go blaming me for EVE's terrible interface design!

You sure are ungrateful after all the time Theta Squad has spent trying to teach you how to gank people.


nobody teached me a thing, and if some tried, I just did the complete opposite... you might should do that as well someday to make this game exciting and not so much predictable

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#171 - 2013-08-27 17:09:40 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
Go shoot something then.

EDIT: I was a bit vague there, Most of the content is created by action, not sitting around. Stop being lead and start leading.

Yourself, a group, whatever, no point sitting around and doing nothing. Go live up the goonies name and kill something


Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party.

For the aggressor, it is a long and boring slog across a huge expanse of space with the promise of maybe. Maybe the aggressor will find and kill some renters who are ratting or mining; maybe the aggressor will stumble across a home defense fleet and have a brawl; or, most likely, everyone will safe up and ignore the aggressor until they get bored and go home. This is a somewhat infrequent occurrence, exactly because it stands so likely to end in boredom. Some groups, both within my alliance and in hostile alliance, undertake covert (or overt) deployments to enemy space and hotdrop them; but, even that is a bunch of sitting around and waiting for something to maybe happen, and it is very restrictive for what else someone can be doing. Newbies especially, and those people with only a single account, are hard-pressed to find something fun to do during peacetime exactly because of this.

War on the other hand is entirely different.

Once a war effort has been mobilized, there are things to do all day every day. Most days during the Fountain Campaign there were a dozen or more fleets that were formed up, and every form up was either to attack an objective or fight a hostile fleet. You could call a war theater a target rich environment: once deployed, on a large scale, there are enough things to shoot and enough people nearby and ready to shoot them that things can be shot more often than they cannot. Whether a member of the aggressor or defender forces, a player in a war theater has things to do. And because there are things to do, more people show up and in turn there occur even more things to do.

War is great, because everyone from brand new players to seasoned line members to fleet commanders have something to do pretty much whenever they log in. Peace is boring in that the opposite is true: unless you count shooting red crosses or mining to be "something to do," there is very little to be done during peacetime. And that is mostly a consequence of how big space is: as stated above, a day trip into hostile space is a several-region trek which just seems an insurmountable wall of apathy and effort, especially when there is no clear objective other than, "maybe we will muck about and kill a few dudes but most likely they will ignore us and we will go home bored."

So let's have a war!


On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you mind losing this war and seeing your alliance and coalition dismantled?

Goonfleet/waffe/swarm/platoon has endured a lot throughout its history, and while it would undoubtedly make many people uncomfortable I don't think a lost war -- even one that caused the CFC to fracture -- would drive goons from the game. The worst case scenario for me is that I would go play some other game with goons rather than EVE Online; but, I don't think the goon guild in EVE would just give up and disband as a result of a lost war. We rally behind war and hardship, because that gives us a reason to log in and a cause to grit out teeth and fight for. Maybe you have some secret information that I don't about some existential threat to GSF or the CFC?


The question was more towards if you would care if you lost all your space. After being on the losing side of two sov wars, it isn't fun (unless you don't care about losing everything you and your friends have worked for). Do you care if you lose your space and assets that might be trapped? Are you willing to help friends and compatriots flee from the ruins of what was once your home region should you end up on the losing side? Even if the Swarm never disbands and Goonwaffe avoids being Kartoon'd again, how many will stick alongside you if you end up on the losing side of a war, and will you still stay with them if you lose all of the sov you have enjoyed for it's spoils and get to experience the joy of NPC nullsec?

My point being in this wall of text is that losing sucks unless you don't care; and if you don't care about losing and are ready to fight, then you either have to shed the blues beside of you or fight another coalition. Goonswarm is the largest alliance in terms of member count, outposts held, and systems secured (not counting renters) even though it barely uses a portion of that. With the current affairs of nullsec being as they are, coalitions don't want to fight each other because the stakes are too high for even a gambling man to risk them. The next war between the CFC and N3 will destroy one and cripple the other undoubtedly.


I think your questions are better posed at one of our senior leadership, or the senior leadership of N3, than at me.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#172 - 2013-08-27 17:13:15 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:

Don't bad mouth elite pvpers!


Although I hear those retrievers are some pretty tough targets.

Entertaining looking through there war reports also. I guess the op doesn't want to fight the ones they are getting spanked in.


Are you under the mistaken belief that I am talking about the Empire war declaration mechanics? No one cares about that.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#173 - 2013-08-27 17:14:10 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


I think you miss the war. You need to be online a little more.


I am online about 12 hours a day and have access to bloc-level strategic intelligence. What are you talking about?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#174 - 2013-08-27 17:15:02 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Khemax wrote:
I thought you guys were going to kill test off...as I see it test is still out there in numbers.

Make it your new war to not take tests systems but actually kill them off completely.
8k+ members is still loads fo targets to kill Twisted

Or if you want a real battle make it your task in life to kill off BL or PL (Sorry guys just the first names that came to mind)

Plenty of targets out there


The plan was to kick test out of fountain and take it for the cfc. Test might still have 8k members but they're spent right now. They barely put up a fight at their peak.


TEST is defeated. The number of EVE characters still in their EVE guild doesn't really mean anything.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#175 - 2013-08-27 17:15:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
The question was more towards if you would care if you lost all your space. After being on the losing side of two sov wars, it isn't fun (unless you don't care about losing everything you and your friends have worked for). Do you care if you lose your space and assets that might be trapped? Are you willing to help friends and compatriots flee from the ruins of what was once your home region should you end up on the losing side? Even if the Swarm never disbands and Goonwaffe avoids being Kartoon'd again, how many will stick alongside you if you end up on the losing side of a war, and will you still stay with them if you lose all of the sov you have enjoyed for it's spoils and get to experience the joy of NPC nullsec?


This happened before when VFK, DKUK and YA0 were sieged by the Joiner Coalition of PL, NCdot, Ev0ke, RDN, etc. and we simply moved non-PvP assets to Empire and stocked up on fleet doctrine ships. This was after having lost several tech moons, CR/PB/F station systems and after our "allies" in the NC were completely conquered. We did not failure cascade because of the prospect of losing a war then and I strongly doubt we would now.


I resubscribed for VFK 2012, when the Horn of Goondor was sounded and the Posters of Lowtax answered.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#176 - 2013-08-27 17:17:12 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

You somehow missed about 30k people that tried to stop us taking fountain. You might want to recount. If you need some help you can use the public standings (https://standings.goonfleet.com/) which doesn't count people who might dogpile on (we were neutral to just about everyone in Asakai for instance) but it's a start.


"There are three types of falsehoods: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -- Sun Tzu, 7 December 1941

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#177 - 2013-08-27 17:54:21 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
To all the people saying "Goons are too big", they said that about BoB, where are they now?


And this is why any arguments invoking, "the blob," are provably wrong. Being a big blob has never made a coalition invincible.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#178 - 2013-08-27 17:54:51 UTC
Mac Munoz wrote:
Apparently the Siege Fleet Bot that Lyris was has had a sufficient cool down and is ready for more action. My bomber is waiting.

Got things moved down to 1DH last night. Siege Fleet rides again tonight!

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#179 - 2013-08-27 17:55:14 UTC
Ser Berus wrote:
Lyris Nairn: Éminence grise of the CFC

Please stop spreading these falsehoods. I am just a humble ice miner.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#180 - 2013-08-27 17:55:37 UTC
Ser Berus wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
To all the people saying "Goons are too big", they said that about BoB, where are they now?



I have it on good authority that there is no BoB

We should rent Delve to 4O1k once we're done with it.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn