Ships & Modules

Unfortunately I cant use T2 beams and T2 pulse, currently I am using legion with HAM, but I just want to try something with better range, so it can eventually go through mission faster... (I very often flying with friends and they have a longer range then me and its causing some problems ... (before I have fitted 100nm afterburner, but I would prefer just 10nm - and most of the targets attack me :-) Let say that all of them and they tend to moving from my friend so they are then out of their range if he is using sentries or I will start moving to him but then I dont have a range to shot him down)

I would prefer to have at least 500 DPS effective tank :-)

In Legion I have aproximately 700 tank / 550 DPS + webifier + target painter / 600 speed (aproximate values)

I want some nice tank because I am flying 2 acc at once (other one is 700 tank / 700 dps / 600 speed tengu) and its suitable I would say, thanks to much better range.

I would be happy for any advice...
The problem is that my char is not well trained currently so it will take me some time to be able to use some ships effectively

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Isinero

I am really not sure if I will find anything better than legion now.

EDIT: One more info - I came back after .... 3 years

I soled L4 in legion without any problem ... the only concern is speed (I want to clear it as quick as possible :-D)

I curently own abaddon, armageddon ... I can buy what ever I want, the skills is only concern. I would go with marauder, he looks really great on paper but its simply too far away. (for proper training of marauder to level 5 It will take at least 2 months maybe more and even though I will still miss some skills.)

But from what I compared Paladin is probably best, I just cant use it and that's my problem so I must look somewhere else. It seems that other lack a tank possibilities if I want to pump up damage as much as possible.

my current fit and its fully cap stable.

Rage 14 km - 500 - 550 dps
Javelin 23 km (low skills) - 350 dps
680 Hp/s
600+ speed (with my skills)

[Legion, Legion fit copy]

Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Ballistic Control System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Target Painter II
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector

and one more thing:

[Legion, Legion fit copy copy]

Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector

this is one more thing which come to my mind :-D But I must work little bit on medium T2 - but It should take a long time.

I also can play with drones version of legion but I am really not sure if that one can be effective at all.

navy apocalypse: maybe bad idea ...

[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Apocalypse Navy Issue fit]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

584 scorch + drones
818 confla + drones
475 omni tank (this will needs to be probably adjusted based on mission damage to make it little bit higher)


[Legion, Legion fit copy copy]

Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector

instead of 3 tracking there can be 2x tracking + 1 webifier

the range is worse of course, DPS is worse, tracking is much better but it doesnt have a drones and Legion is superior tank of course compared to apo... and speed of apo is terrible

But I maybe looking at it wrongly ... if you can advice how it should loook like I will be happy :-D

Caitlyn: Mine problem is that I am trying to make "universal" build without need to refit for mission specific damage and its simply wrong idea. It works with t3 of course but its simply not effective ...

so if I will go for less tank or just change it based on the mission, I will be able to change it for this and also have a great range ...
650 dps / 15,7 + 7 fall off or 463 dps / 47,1 + 7 fall off with really good tracking, Smaller turret resolution is also bonus

tank: change adaptive to mission specific (explosive and kinect is easy, EM should be fine too, Thermal damage can be an issue), higher speed so this one can also speed tank little bit and it have much smaller signature so it takes most of the time less damage.

speed is also nice

[Legion, Legion fit copy copy]

Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I

Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector

but yeah even with all this and another 200milions to heat sink its not able to get DPS of apo and I even not counting drones....

BTW. really thanks for advice it helps a lot .... I finally starting to have an idea how to fit it... I will try that apo which you adviced :-D

I won't say a CNR isn't sweet when you're being TD but for most missions a properly fitted Nightmare will kill everything long before it gets within TD range.

[Tengu, Tengu fit]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

10MN Afterburner I
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

something like that I use with my tengu or just switch to regeneration matrix and change it little bit (more power and change it to undestructible TANK :-) ) But yeah ... I probably cant create anything like that for Legion :-(

580 tank / 878 DPS with kinect on 25 km (there is also additional 40+ passive shield regen)

so the range is much much much better and damage is also much much much better... so thats my only concern. (of course its more expensive, by let say ... 100 milions maybe 200 milions but with legion I make it better even with more ISK ...