EVE General Discussion

Yes you are right. The trillions and trillions of isk the moons generated all went where? RMT? Moon goo is an income just like any other. Yes it requires resources and management but I would argue it has done more damage to the game more than any lvl 4 mission ever could. Not only that but incursions runners make several times over the isk per hour than any lvl 4 mission.

Where the ISK went doesn't matter — what matters is where it's coming from. Where it's coming from is one of the four ISK faucets: bounties, agent rewards, insurance, and NPC buy orders. Moon goo may be an income source, but it is not an ISK faucet. It's a materials faucet, and a pretty moderate one at that.

Ok. And your argument for that is… what, exactly?
Remember, even at their best, high-end moons provide about the same ISK/h (ore more accurately, the same ISK-worth of materials injection) as highsec ice mining. So if you want to argue that moon goo has done the game any damage, I can't begin to imagine how horrible you think ice mining is.

Yes. There's a reason why incursions have been a constant target for calls to nerf their the ISK influx they cause.


That just meant you were being inefficient. Tip #1: drop the noctis. Looting and salvaging is a waste of time compared to just running more missions. Tip #2: drop the market toon. You don't need one to sell in bulk unless you absolutely want to .01 every order you put out — even if you use sell orders, it gets soled eventually. Again, a waste of time compared to just running more missions.

So no, the added time and effort for going the LP route is absolutely minimal. If it takes more than maybe an hour or so once or twice a month, you're doing something wrong, and you certainly don't need any additional accounts to maximise your mission income, other than if you want to run several missions in parallel.

That means they didn't use the tools at their disposal. A Micro-Jump drive (and fitting a proper 5 minute active tank or appropriate strength in case of a Disconnect, some people still don't know that activated modules stay on when you D/C now) makes high sec missions 100% safe. NPCs disrupt (not scam) so you can always MJD away as long as you have enough cap to activate it.

I don't undock to do a mission without specific hardeners, 10 minutes of cap under an active tank (since no part of a lvl 4 mission takes more than 10 minutes to clear the major DPS away), a damage control and a MJD.

It will be terribly shameful for you when you realize what a BS you write here.

Unless you mine for a mission, all the isk you earn is from other players when you sell ore. They have those ISK from bounties or mission rewards.

Same with moon goo.

Mining does not create ISK, but ore.

Folks who don't have their missiles and guns up to all lvl 4 at least can indeed get scrammed by frigates if they forgot drones, or if the drones were eaten during the mission. I've watched it happen on full room agro (not to myself - by the time I bothered to get a Battleship, all my weapons stuffs were on 5.).

This is packed full of lies !

MJD on a mission BS is doing it wrong in the first place. NPC frigs do indeed still scram.

I don't know what mission you are running, but I run the ones in EVE Online.

No npc scrams, npcs warp "disrupt". You know you can test this for yourself right? Hell and hour ago I MJD'd out of Mordus Headhunters while "scrammed" by 4 merc frigs. In multiple missions (like worlds's collide, Extravaganza of different flavors, Gone Berzerk, the Anomaly , Damsel in distress ect ect) I tested it, over and over and over again.

When you get the message about an npc scramming you, hit your mjd. EVE NPCs don't scram, CCP just never got around to chainging the message you get.

100 million isk is the bet. Make a video of you with an MJD "scrammed" by an npc where it doesn't work.

Not surprising to find mission runnners who don't know hot the game works lol.

…or just look at the fact that people are still befuddled by the (not actually) new AI even though the AI parameters are available pretty much in clear text in the database, so all you need to figure out how they'll behave is a good DB browser like chruker.dk.

Lol.

Tags are freaking easy to get, you have to think longterm. Set a buy order at the average price and forget about it. At worst a month later it is filled, rinse and repeat. It is very sustainable even if you need a lot of tags, just check the Jita volume. Standings can be a problem if you are flying only for one faction but doing it right you always fly for 2 opposing once like Caldari/Gallente etc. after enough storyline missions your faction standing averages out at about ~6 for both faction (with connections at 5 and declining all ****** missions). You have to know where and how to find a pair of L4 agents (of course for "good" NPC corps) within 2jumps of each other in systems with the lowest security possible.

3k ISK/LP is possible on several items but if you generate shitloads of LP you may run into the problem that you aren't selling them fast enough, so on average you can calc with 2k up to 2.5k ISK/LP.
60k LP/h on average is impossible in highsec, 40k LP/h on the other hand very much is.

Invest some time, think about how to min/max, know the standing and system security (it defines you LP payout) mechanics, know how to calc the ISK/LP for your 5run faction BPCs and 120m ISK/h with L4 is easy as hell but you have to stop following the herd and doing missions for Caldari, Amarr Navy etc. in the most common mission hubs.
When you have done all your prep work which costs time and after you set up everything the time you need to run your LP convert into ISK system needs only 10mins maintenance per day.