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CCP SAVE EVE ! ATTRACT MASSIVE NEW NUMBERS OF SUBSCRIBERS ! DO THIS !

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2011-11-13 06:18:58 UTC
I'd honestly go with nova bombs if I could wipe OPs accounts from their binary existence.

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BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-11-13 06:20:51 UTC
Martyr Theos wrote:
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
Martyr Theos wrote:
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
Yeah, because letting a frig solo titans would be oh so fun...................... What this would do is eliminate any desire to pvp in the game. Which by itself is impressive, so pat yourself on the back for that.

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Ten noob PAID subscribers are worth ten times one pissed off vet who can afford the loss. pilots shouldn't fly what they can't afford to lose... Right?



Wrong. What would be the point of holding sov if someone could just fly by in a frig and destroy everything? What would be the point of taking the time and effort to maintain a POS if one guy in a frig could reinforce and easily destroy thousands of them? What would be the point of trying to take sov if any fleet could be destroyed by one bored alt? What would be the point of undocking ANYWHERE if just one bored guy can decide that he wants everything to die off station?

The point would be the fastest broken game in history.

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You need to reread my proposal. I said the Nova Bombs would "occasionally" drop in missions... as in a carefully controlled number designed by CCP to provide just enough spice to keep gatecamps and blobs a "risky" proposition and to attract new players to the game.



Occasionally could of meant anything. Not to mention the idea of "risky" gatecamps/blobs is ridiculous. All pvp movements are risky by their nature of pvp. Only now, you're liable to lose everything for no reason that you could have avoided. I know thats no environment I would want to pvp in. Just the idea of being able lose any ship to a 1 hour noob would strip Eve of all balance and fairness. People work for that SP and isk. Why would they if it meant ultimately nothing?
Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#23 - 2011-11-13 06:23:50 UTC
Why put all the power in EVE in the hands of those who do not deserve it? Plus, if CCP was even dumb enough to implement this, it would be bound to be abused, ruining the game.

This line for rent! YOUR AD HERE!

Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
#24 - 2011-11-13 06:24:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Martyr Theos
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Martyr Theos wrote:

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You need to reread my proposal. I said the Nova Bombs would "occassionally" drop in missions... as in a carefully controlled number designed by CCP to provide just enough spice to keep gatecamps and blobs a "risky" proposition and to attract new players to the game.


You *seriously* underestimate how many players nullsec alliances have, and how good they are at focusing on their objectives. There is simply no way a highsec entity could even come remotely close to the nova bomb stockpile of a nullsec alliance, especially when said alliance doesn't even have to fly into highsec to farm them - they can just start a noob alt.

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How does that fact in any way stop a noob from using a Nova Bomb on the first gatecamp he finds?
How does it stop new Corps from doing the same?
Are new players likely to look at the inevitable YouTube vids of noobs unleashing mayhem and subscribe?

or would you rather just cater to the hand full of vets? Oh I see, you want to just sit in your immune Moon Farm and play for free... while EVE dies.
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
#25 - 2011-11-13 06:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Martyr Theos
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
Martyr Theos wrote:
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
Martyr Theos wrote:
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
Yeah, because letting a frig solo titans would be oh so fun...................... What this would do is eliminate any desire to pvp in the game. Which by itself is impressive, so pat yourself on the back for that.

************

Ten noob PAID subscribers are worth ten times one pissed off vet who can afford the loss. pilots shouldn't fly what they can't afford to lose... Right?



Wrong. What would be the point of holding sov if someone could just fly by in a frig and destroy everything? What would be the point of taking the time and effort to maintain a POS if one guy in a frig could reinforce and easily destroy thousands of them? What would be the point of trying to take sov if any fleet could be destroyed by one bored alt? What would be the point of undocking ANYWHERE if just one bored guy can decide that he wants everything to die off station?

The point would be the fastest broken game in history.

***************
You need to reread my proposal. I said the Nova Bombs would "occasionally" drop in missions... as in a carefully controlled number designed by CCP to provide just enough spice to keep gatecamps and blobs a "risky" proposition and to attract new players to the game.



Occasionally could of meant anything. Not to mention the idea of "risky" gatecamps/blobs is ridiculous. All pvp movements are risky by their nature of pvp. Only now, you're liable to lose everything for no reason that you could have avoided. I know thats no environment I would want to pvp in. Just the idea of being able lose any ship to a 1 hour noob would strip Eve of all balance and fairness. People work for that SP and isk. Why would they if it meant ultimately nothing?

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Wait.. I thought SP and isk didn't matter? at least that is what is touted... are you saying that isn't true? and balance and fairness are only balanced and fair as long as vets are immune to challenges from highsec? Oh I see.
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-11-13 06:36:15 UTC
Martyr Theos wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Martyr Theos wrote:

***************
You need to reread my proposal. I said the Nova Bombs would "occassionally" drop in missions... as in a carefully controlled number designed by CCP to provide just enough spice to keep gatecamps and blobs a "risky" proposition and to attract new players to the game.


You *seriously* underestimate how many players nullsec alliances have, and how good they are at focusing on their objectives. There is simply no way a highsec entity could even come remotely close to the nova bomb stockpile of a nullsec alliance, especially when said alliance doesn't even have to fly into highsec to farm them - they can just start a noob alt.

***************

How does that fact in any way stop a noob from using a Nove Bomb on the first gatecamp he finds?
How does it stop new Corps from doing the same?
Are new players likely to look at the inevitable YouTube vids of noobs unleashing mayhem and subscribe?

or would you rather just cater to the hand full of vets? Oh I see, you want to just sit in your immune Moon Farm and play for free... while EVE dies.


So heres an idea.
I'm an angry bitter vet. I spend my untold billions on lots of these bombs. And I sit at the undock for Jita 4-4 and kill everyone. That'll be hilarious! And I do it again and again. Sec gets destroyed? Who cares? I'll just grab an alt (plus I'm real bitter and I don't care). People move to another station? Me too! That'll make a lot of hilarious youtube videos. And thats how Eve's major trade hub dies. From just one bitter person's actions.
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
#27 - 2011-11-13 06:41:05 UTC
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
Martyr Theos wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Martyr Theos wrote:

***************
You need to reread my proposal. I said the Nova Bombs would "occassionally" drop in missions... as in a carefully controlled number designed by CCP to provide just enough spice to keep gatecamps and blobs a "risky" proposition and to attract new players to the game.


You *seriously* underestimate how many players nullsec alliances have, and how good they are at focusing on their objectives. There is simply no way a highsec entity could even come remotely close to the nova bomb stockpile of a nullsec alliance, especially when said alliance doesn't even have to fly into highsec to farm them - they can just start a noob alt.

***************

How does that fact in any way stop a noob from using a Nove Bomb on the first gatecamp he finds?
How does it stop new Corps from doing the same?
Are new players likely to look at the inevitable YouTube vids of noobs unleashing mayhem and subscribe?

or would you rather just cater to the hand full of vets? Oh I see, you want to just sit in your immune Moon Farm and play for free... while EVE dies.


So heres an idea.
I'm an angry bitter vet. I spend my untold billions on lots of these bombs. And I sit at the undock for Jita 4-4 and kill everyone. That'll be hilarious! And I do it again and again. Sec gets destroyed? Who cares? I'll just grab an alt (plus I'm real bitter and I don't care). People move to another station? Me too! That'll make a lot of hilarious youtube videos. And thats how Eve's major trade hub dies. From just one bitter person's actions.

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Actually you are suggesting the very thing that Zero Vets have advocated for years for highsec... but that aside, you do realize that bombs can only be released in zerosec?
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-11-13 06:44:57 UTC
Wait.. I thought SP and isk didn't matter? at least that is what is touted... are you saying that isn't true? and balance and fairness are only balanced and fair as long as vets are immune to challenges from highsec? Oh I see.[/quote]

Who ever told you this? You clearly have been severely misinformed. Of course it matters. However, the most important factor is numbers and unity. A 1 person fleet killer defeats the advantages of numbers and being unified just provides a bigger target.

And what is it that you want to see? If you want people to live in null sec then they can just join a corp there. People in high sec don't attack null sec alliances because they WANT to live in high sec. And vets are hardly immune. Those in high sec just lack the unity and motivation to attack/ move to null. I know, I live there.
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
#29 - 2011-11-13 06:46:51 UTC
Green Beans wrote:
Why put all the power in EVE in the hands of those who do not deserve it? Plus, if CCP was even dumb enough to implement this, it would be bound to be abused, ruining the game.

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How exactly does increasing the number of subscriptions while opening the field of PvP to large numbers of new players "ruining the game"??
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-11-13 06:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: BeforetheStorm90
Martyr Theos wrote:

Actually you are suggesting the very thing that Zero Vets have advocated for years for highsec... but that aside, you do realize that bombs can only be released in zerosec?


Oh wonderful. Imaginary and convenient rules for this weapon you forgot to mention. Sorry, my telepathy hasn't been working right all week. =/

Regardless of my own personal problems. You do realize that the exact same strategy would work for any null sec station/outpost/POS right?
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
#31 - 2011-11-13 06:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Martyr Theos
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
Wait.. I thought SP and isk didn't matter? at least that is what is touted... are you saying that isn't true? and balance and fairness are only balanced and fair as long as vets are immune to challenges from highsec? Oh I see.


Who ever told you this? You clearly have been severely misinformed. Of course it matters. However, the most important factor is numbers and unity. A 1 person fleet killer defeats the advantages of numbers and being unified just provides a bigger target.

And what is it that you want to see? If you want people to live in null sec then they can just join a corp there. People in high sec don't attack null sec alliances because they WANT to live in high sec. And vets are hardly immune. Those in high sec just lack the unity and motivation to attack/ move to null. I know, I live there.[/quote]
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It is well established orthodoxy in Eve that SP and isk differentials "don't matter"... for you to say otherwise is pure heresy.
As for who said it... every vet in a T2 or lately a T3 ship that ganked a noob at a gate for the 6 years I've played Eve.
As for living in zero... I've been there for for 5 out of the 6 years I've played and I can state absolutely that Zero can both afford and NEEDS this sort of corrosive challenge to it's hegemony.

and Eve needs the new blood it would draw both players and subscription revenue.
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-11-13 07:03:28 UTC
An I-Win button. Clearly the best thing to have in a very competitive PvP game.
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
#33 - 2011-11-13 07:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Martyr Theos
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
Martyr Theos wrote:

Actually you are suggesting the very thing that Zero Vets have advocated for years for highsec... but that aside, you do realize that bombs can only be released in zerosec?


Oh wonderful. Imaginary and convenient rules for this weapon you forgot to mention. Sorry, my telepathy hasn't been working right all week. =/

Regardless of my own personal problems. You do realize that the exact same strategy would work for any null sec station/outpost/POS right?

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Yes... LolTwistedLolTwistedAttentionAttentionAttentionPiratePirate

You might actually have to defend "in depth" rather than "in Blob"...

Flawless !
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
#34 - 2011-11-13 07:07:05 UTC
Written Word wrote:
An I-Win button. Clearly the best thing to have in a very competitive PvP game.

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whatever it would be... any PAID subscriber in game could get it... so it would be inherently balanced.
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-11-13 07:09:48 UTC
Martyr Theos wrote:

***********
It is well established orthodoxy in Eve that SP and isk differentials "don't matter"... for you to say otherwise is pure heresy.
As for who said it... every vet in a T2 or lately a T3 ship that ganked a noob at a gate for the 6 years I've played Eve.
As for living in zero... I've been there for for 5 out of the 6 years I've played and I can state absolutely that Zero can both afford and NEEDS this sort of corrosive challenge to it's hegemony.

and Eve needs the new blood it would draw both players and subscription revenue.



Well, in the sense that misused SP and isk can often leave the oldest vet in a position as weak as any noob, I could understand that statement. However, inorder to balance out SP/isk one needs brains. And clearly there is a lack of it in either your noob or your vet. If your talking about high sec ganking, your vet is incredibly stupid for using a T2/T3 ship. If your talking about low/null then your noob is clearly a moron for going into either area unprepared. And I don't know about you, but I rather enjoy Eve's ability to sucker punch those too inept to properly play the game.
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-11-13 07:13:33 UTC
Martyr Theos wrote:
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
Martyr Theos wrote:

Actually you are suggesting the very thing that Zero Vets have advocated for years for highsec... but that aside, you do realize that bombs can only be released in zerosec?


Oh wonderful. Imaginary and convenient rules for this weapon you forgot to mention. Sorry, my telepathy hasn't been working right all week. =/

Regardless of my own personal problems. You do realize that the exact same strategy would work for any null sec station/outpost/POS right?

**************

Yes... LolTwistedLolTwistedAttentionAttentionAttentionPiratePirate

You might actually have to defend "in depth" rather than "in Blob"...

Flawless !



What? That makes no sense. What would happen is that no one would ever leave the stations. The risk would far out weigh any potential gain.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-11-13 07:14:17 UTC
I propose that the Nova Bomb have EXTREMELY harsh penalties to any ship fit to it.
1,000,000% reduction in nova bomb cycle time per level
1,000,000% reduction in nova bomb cargo size per level
1,000,000% reduction in ship's shield recharge time
1,000,000% reduction in ship's capacitor recharge time
1,000,000% reduction of ship's signature radius
1,000,000% shorter lock on time
1,000,000% lower inertia
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#38 - 2011-11-13 10:33:04 UTC
Rates this idea for humor.

Its tickelish.

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Jr Instructorcon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2011-11-13 10:39:33 UTC
This idea is without flaws and should be implemented immediately.
BLACK-STAR
#40 - 2011-11-13 10:44:26 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
I'd honestly go with nova bombs if I could wipe OPs accounts from their binary existence.

lol'd

flawless implementation:
nova bombs instantly biomass's the player that deploys it and has no effect on anything.




absolutely not
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