EVE New Citizens Q&A

Give information on the scam please if you are going to post them.

The email has all the making of a scam but if you want to help newbis fill them in on how scames work otherwise they will be convenced that such scams are lagit!!!
The I need quick isk so 1/2 price sell ALWAYS a scam! You can just sell on the market to buy orders normally no cheeper than 80% what sell orders are so why waste time making contracts to liquidate assest for a loss much greater? That is your clue this is a scam.

What they might do.
1. You can rename ships. These Navy ships might just be there non-navy version. Check the top left corner for the proper marking and ALWAYS veiw info ON EACH AND EVERY ITEM IN CONTRACT to make sure what is being sold is what they say is.

2. There might be some extra numbers their. Normaly not a 000 as the game shortains these and 20,000,000 will say 20(mil) so you will get 9's or other numbers at the end to avoid this. LOOK AT THE PRICE CLOSELY

3. Along with isk items may me required in a trade, this will be in red, so you may pay 20(mil) but miss that it says you will give 1 PLEX and thus give them a PLEX with the 20(mil). Popular used in scams like these that target new players that gaine ISK selling PLEX as they might have PLEX on them. ALWAYS CHECK WHAT ITEMS YOU WILL GIVE.

4. NEVER EVER USE THE HONOR SYSTEM!!! No contract! NO TRADE!!!

5. READ THE CONTRACT, than after you have read and verified.... READ IT AGAIN!!!

If it sounds to good to be true IT IS. As stated above Buy orders on popular items are normally in line with sell orders 5-10% under or less and less popular items MIGHT be 20% less (not really seen on ships ESPECIALLY navy issues). So why would they waste time and isk trying to sell it to you for a 50% loss?

Keep in mind piracy and scaming are part of the game. You WILL NOT BE REMBURSED. The scammer WILL NOT BE PUNISHED! So keep this in mind when making deals. Most newbies get scamed not cause they are dumb and stupid, but they are used to games where this is not the case they will be re-embursed and scammers will be banned so there is no reason to watch out for scams.

Come be one of us.

You get an invite (or ask) to join a corp. Suuuure you are allowed in sometime right away sometimes they will have questions to make sure YOU are on the up and up, but this may also help to create a sense of them being on the Up and Up.

What MAY happen to you.

1. You have to pay isk to join. Dont do this be on your way.

2 High taxes. Had a corp invite me first thing I did check tax rate was 50%... NOPE!

3. They can kill you now! Wierd but being in a corp means they can kill you.

4. You are vaunarable to war decs. Might be a dummy corpe to get newbies in so another corp that is wardeced can get kills.

5. We can hull all your stuff to our base for you so you can transfer. They can also not give that stuff back.

6. Contract hauling so you are sure you get your items or isk that will cover them. You get your items delivered to there station smart you huh? NOPE! They boot you from the corp and you are not allowed access into there station but your stuff is inside. Now to get it back you have to pay a ransom. DONT PAY!! Cause they will most likely take yur isk and still keep your stuff.

Always go into any team event relizing your "team" might not be on the up and up. Treat them as if they are scamming you. You want to be part of the team so you might have to give some, but accept that what you risk may be lost so don't have them move ALL your items. Keep you station you are based at as a back up with supplies incase you get totaly screwed by a new corp. Also check the forums many corps get reported here for scaming.

The did you really fall for this scam? Next time just give me half the isk I will kick you in the nuts and we will call it a day scams

1. Lotto. Buy a ticket win money. Only ones that win are alts or corp mates. Don't give them.

2. I m leaving the game and giving aways isk. If you send me isk I will double, triple pay 10x ect back. Right up there with the prince in nigera that needs mony to get his inharadence if you give him isk you desirve what happens. Want to mess with them? send them the small isk to see if it is lagit, do this on some alts or have corp mates do it. Normally they will give you as promissed wanting you to give that BIG pay once you see it is not a scam. Than tell them thanks but it would be GREEDY of you to try to get more

3. I JUST GOT SCAMED, GRIEFED AND AM A NEWBI!!! PLEASE HELP!! Might be true, might be an alt wanting free isk. Your call. If you are kind harted you might want to help but don't over help. Also anounce you helped so others know they have been helped and don't need more isk. Try tpo only help those that ask in channles you monitor or chat in that have been active and seem to be new and not scamming alts.

4. Banks. If you deposit isk with us we will loan it out with intrest and pay you intrest on your deposit. Banks in game take to much time and effort and with all the scammers laoning mony at intrest is not profitable thus not gaining returns. this is a few things when you see this.
- Just a flat out scam to get your mony
- Someone trying to run a bank, they will fail and/or get tired of it and will most likely keep you isk, or if they are nice MAY give what they can back but most likely lost a good deal in their attempt.
There is no isk to be made here in either case and 99% of the time it is a flat out scam.

5. Buying shares and or stock in a corp, funding a corp or person to do expensive profit scheems with a promise for a cut. With thee way EvE market works putting players in compatition most of the time the isk gained is not much more than isk spent. So windfalls are not expected and even if this wasn't a scam (it is though trust me) it will become one once they do not gain the mass profit predicted. - Sometimes, IF you know the person and trust them to do right buy you than you might not get scamed but prepare for a loss just the same and only IF YOU KNOW THE PERSON perferable in RL not just in game.

Margin trading scam

This involves manipulating the local market, so that you will buy items from them at heavily inflated prices. In it's basic form it involves 2 market orders. One inflated sell order for you to buy and another inflated buy order for you to quickly cash in that sell order. They can cover up the inflated nature of the market orders by buying up all those items on the market and in doing so manipulating the market average to cover up what they are doing. When an inexperienced market player sees the situation he thinks he can make a nice amount of profit immediately for very little work. This is a variation on the: if it seems too good to be true, it is -situation.

What happens next is that you can safely buy the first order, but when you try to sell it the transaction fails and you are left with items, that you have a hard time selling forward at the prices you bought them. The reason for this is the margin trading skill. It allows you put up orders that cost more than you really can cover at that time. It's an invaluable tool to a legit trader, but also allows scammers to make fake market orders. The good news is that it can be spotted and you can also use common sense to avoid it.

The common sense approach is to know the worth of items you trade on the market. If you don't have that experience, ask a price check in one of the in-game channels made for such purposes or check at a site like eve-central to get a basic idea of the general price levels. If it is some weird specialty item, that you have no clue what it's worth or even used for, simply avoid it until you do. The scam is also much more likely to be used on such specialty items, since the market is easier to manipulate, the price for them fluctuates because of the low volume of trades and people don't generally know what they are really worth.

You can spot the scam by looking at the often ignored column of min volume in the market window. It will likely be something other than one and likely a large number at that, since some money is always invested in making a market order, so the minimum amount of the items the scammer is offering to buy in a single purchase has to be higher than the amount invested or the transaction won't fail.

This scam is easily avoided by common sense, but greed and the fact you can't lose the items entirely while trading using the market system can make you overconfident and ignore the dangers it too has. Just remember two things, if it's too good to be true, it is and be especially careful trading items you aren't familiar with.

Remember there's the "Scammers in my EVE Online?" thread posted by CCP Zymurgist over in Trial Citizens Q&A.

You people are pathetic

In the good old days of eve there where no guides no people telling them what was a scam and what wasnt quit holding there hands and throw them into the meat grinder where they belong