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Voltic Borg
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-08-25 09:30:33 UTC
Please consider reducing the Corp History to a rolling year. I have switched a lot no doubt but for numerous reasons, mainly my life does not allow me to be on 24/7 or answer every CTA. In addition I am a much older player in RL so it has not been easy to find a corp that is not loaded with children or offensive nature / material. There are many more reason to switch corps and I could sit here and list them all out, however, its irrelevant. Sadly I along with many others are being DISCRIMINATED because of switching corps, a desire to try other things or meet new people. I am certainly not suggesting to remove it because it is important. However I am asking for a change, I am asking for you to put control back into the players hand and reward them for staying somewhere and over time the past is not a negative.

Options to consider:

1. 1 year rolling - everything older than a year drops off (This is the best solution in my opinion)

2. Perhaps make employment history only visible to CEO's

3. Another option Employment History is submitted like a resume to new potential Corp then that CEO / Director can inquire. The player controls who views this record.

4. Station Service - Sell this as a service to reset history much like you have done with Sec Status

5. Set it up like the Neural Remap where it can be cleaned once a yr

Thanks for your time and consideration,
VB
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-08-25 10:05:19 UTC
Nope.

Consequences. Stop trying to avoid them.
Tiberu Stundrif
Nifty Idustries
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-08-25 10:23:12 UTC
Nope.

You are being discriminated because most corporations care about a member's loyalty to his/her. If you have none, sorry.
Voltic Borg
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-08-25 11:07:18 UTC
Very predictable responses so far....

RAZOR - Who requires and monitors fleet participation on a daily basis, if you can not do that you are kicked and killed in their space. I can't remember but they use monitoring software to track members. You would think it was a real job! its not, its a game.

TNT - One of the worst alliances in the game for offensive subject matter, foul language and inappropriate behavior. Foul images being shared and extremely offensive player Bio's.

I am not asking for employment history to be removed just changed. As far as the 2 alliances listed, try them for yourself and see how wrong I am. I should not have to sit and be subject to that content nor should I be penalized for leaving.

On a brighter note I have found a great corp in a great alliance that does not conduct in this manner, first one I have found since playing Eve. However, I still think a change is needed.
Mirel Dystoph
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-08-25 11:10:56 UTC
Nope, change isn't needed, the corp history is completely fine.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#6 - 2013-08-25 11:39:10 UTC
Corp history is absolutely fine. If you have changed around a lot, then you must accept the consequences. Try selling it as a bonus rather than a drawback when joining new corps. It shows how much of eve you have experienced and indicates what you can bring to the table.

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
Cavalira
Habemus
#7 - 2013-08-25 11:40:28 UTC
If you feel brave you can contact a guy called Bruce Wayne. He acquire a tool called "The Clean Slate". I think you'd be very interested in this.
Tiberu Stundrif
Nifty Idustries
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-08-25 12:05:15 UTC
Voltic Borg wrote:
Very predictable responses so far....

RAZOR - Who requires and monitors fleet participation on a daily basis, if you can not do that you are kicked and killed in their space. I can't remember but they use monitoring software to track members. You would think it was a real job! its not, its a game.


Only a few corporations in Razor do this. My corporation is among them and we're very proud of our active member-base. It's not a real job, it's a game... we just like spreadsheets too.


Voltic Borg wrote:
On a brighter note I have found a great corp in a great alliance that does not conduct in this manner, first one I have found since playing Eve. However, I still think a change is needed.


So, you found a place that accepts you, awesome! Now, why do you want everyone else to be impacted by your desire to find a home for yourself based on your poor decisions?
Voltic Borg
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-08-25 12:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Voltic Borg
Tiberu Stundrif wrote:
Voltic Borg wrote:
Very predictable responses so far....

RAZOR - Who requires and monitors fleet participation on a daily basis, if you can not do that you are kicked and killed in their space. I can't remember but they use monitoring software to track members. You would think it was a real job! its not, its a game.


Only a few corporations in Razor do this. My corporation is among them and we're very proud of our active member-base. It's not a real job, it's a game... we just like spreadsheets too.


Voltic Borg wrote:
On a brighter note I have found a great corp in a great alliance that does not conduct in this manner, first one I have found since playing Eve. However, I still think a change is needed.


So, you found a place that accepts you, awesome! Now, why do you want everyone else to be impacted by your desire to find a home for yourself based on your poor decisions?



They are not poor decisions, they are a process of elimination. Furthermore, I should not be penalized neither should anyone else that has had the misfortune to be be aligned with your alliance and unrealistic goals.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#10 - 2013-08-25 12:49:20 UTC
Voltic Borg wrote:
They are not poor decisions, they are a process of elimination. Furthermore, I should not be penalized neither should anyone else that has had the misfortune to be be aligned with your alliance and unrealistic goals.
Exactly how are you penalised?
Is a player questioning your loyalty or some such, or is there a mechanic penalising you?

The thing I see here is that you have changed corp enough times to make players get small red flags. A player decides to check it out, a player might deny you membership because of past membership - or too many past memberships.
WHAT CAN CCP CHANGE TO CHANGE HUMAN NATURE?

A player might decide that you're not worth it - that you're a quitter when the going gets tough, or you have actively betrayed past corps/alliances, a wild card, a spy, indecisive, a perfectionist - or any number of reasons beyond these.
Why should CCP deny that CEO/dir. the information to make such assesments?

I can't see what CCP can do to change this, and even if they could change things I can't see why they should want to.
So convince me: How can CCP change this, and why should they?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-08-25 17:24:23 UTC
Voltic Borg wrote:
Very predictable responses so far....

RAZOR - Who requires and monitors fleet participation on a daily basis, if you can not do that you are kicked and killed in their space. I can't remember but they use monitoring software to track members. You would think it was a real job! its not, its a game.

TNT - One of the worst alliances in the game for offensive subject matter, foul language and inappropriate behavior. Foul images being shared and extremely offensive player Bio's.

I am not asking for employment history to be removed just changed. As far as the 2 alliances listed, try them for yourself and see how wrong I am. I should not have to sit and be subject to that content nor should I be penalized for leaving.

On a brighter note I have found a great corp in a great alliance that does not conduct in this manner, first one I have found since playing Eve. However, I still think a change is needed.



What on earth does any of that have to do with anything?

Also, pap links are quite normal these days, and...well, I see you've met Cio. <_<



Also, if you can't explain to a recruiter why you left your previous alliance, you should probably work on your communication skills. No-one's going to penalise you for leaving because you joined a group full of shitheels.
Voltic Borg
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-08-26 10:35:13 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Voltic Borg wrote:
Very predictable responses so far....

RAZOR - Who requires and monitors fleet participation on a daily basis, if you can not do that you are kicked and killed in their space. I can't remember but they use monitoring software to track members. You would think it was a real job! its not, its a game.

TNT - One of the worst alliances in the game for offensive subject matter, foul language and inappropriate behavior. Foul images being shared and extremely offensive player Bio's.

I am not asking for employment history to be removed just changed. As far as the 2 alliances listed, try them for yourself and see how wrong I am. I should not have to sit and be subject to that content nor should I be penalized for leaving.

On a brighter note I have found a great corp in a great alliance that does not conduct in this manner, first one I have found since playing Eve. However, I still think a change is needed.



What on earth does any of that have to do with anything?

Also, pap links are quite normal these days, and...well, I see you've met Cio. <_<



Also, if you can't explain to a recruiter why you left your previous alliance, you should probably work on your communication skills. No-one's going to penalise you for leaving because you joined a group full of shitheels.




I am not going to sit here and argue with the masses. This is a video game that I pay for and I should have the freedom to move around and experience different things. If for any reason I am not satisfied, or do not approve of the content or am offended I should be able to leave without a growing corp history for someone to pass judgement on 3 yrs later. It NEEDS TO BE A ROLLING YEAR or NOT VISIBLE UNLESS I APPLY TO A NEW CORP.




Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#13 - 2013-08-26 10:43:57 UTC
So your Money is more worth then the Money from anyone else?

If i spend my Money to play Eve build a Corp with friendly Players and there would someone who come and goes like his selfish Charakter wants to i would feel myself betrayed.

I for myself are left Most Corps for many Different reasons but i Never had any Problems to find a New one.

Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup
Sexy Moaning
The Crystal Empire
The Crystal Empire.
#14 - 2013-08-26 11:05:43 UTC
Even if employment history would be removed from the game itself, there still would be 3rd party sites which records this kind of history. Like "evewho.com" for example.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#15 - 2013-08-26 11:24:22 UTC
Consider the employment history beneficial to you. If you get denied simply for your employment history, it seems like the corp wouldn't be a good fit for you anyways due to activity requirements.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-08-26 11:41:50 UTC
Voltic Borg wrote:
Very predictable responses so far....

RAZOR - Who requires and monitors fleet participation on a daily basis, if you can not do that you are kicked and killed in their space. I can't remember but they use monitoring software to track members. You would think it was a real job! its not, its a game.

TNT - One of the worst alliances in the game for offensive subject matter, foul language and inappropriate behavior. Foul images being shared and extremely offensive player Bio's.

I am not asking for employment history to be removed just changed. As far as the 2 alliances listed, try them for yourself and see how wrong I am. I should not have to sit and be subject to that content nor should I be penalized for leaving.

On a brighter note I have found a great corp in a great alliance that does not conduct in this manner, first one I have found since playing Eve. However, I still think a change is needed.

ha... HAHAHAHahhahasbwahahaha

TNT and RAZOR being **** about member participation? bro, i was in KADESHI for the fountain war, and we were by the end of it told (this is a PVP corp, by the end of two months EVERYONE must own a carrier for combat, aswell as have a 98% fleet participation rate, this includes roams, pos bashes, and CTAs), and was repeatedly **** on, even though i was recruited for the US timezone (all the fleet actions were Euro timezone primarily, no FC's on when the US boys were).

but you really cant blame them, where would nullsec be if an alliance coudlnt get maybe 5-10% AT LEASt of their memberbase to fleet up for PvP? they monitor it because they dont want leeches, if you want to rpofit in their space, you gotta earn your keep, and if you, OP, have a problem with that, then you are a leech, stay in an NPC corp in highsec, the kind of "mature" corps you want to be in dont want someone like you.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-08-26 11:44:27 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Voltic Borg wrote:
They are not poor decisions, they are a process of elimination. Furthermore, I should not be penalized neither should anyone else that has had the misfortune to be be aligned with your alliance and unrealistic goals.
Exactly how are you penalised?
Is a player questioning your loyalty or some such, or is there a mechanic penalising you?

The thing I see here is that you have changed corp enough times to make players get small red flags. A player decides to check it out, a player might deny you membership because of past membership - or too many past memberships.
WHAT CAN CCP CHANGE TO CHANGE HUMAN NATURE?

A player might decide that you're not worth it - that you're a quitter when the going gets tough, or you have actively betrayed past corps/alliances, a wild card, a spy, indecisive, a perfectionist - or any number of reasons beyond these.
Why should CCP deny that CEO/dir. the information to make such assesments?

I can't see what CCP can do to change this, and even if they could change things I can't see why they should want to.
So convince me: How can CCP change this, and why should they?

I once denied someone entry into a corp because they refused to yield pumpkin as the best type of pie, though in retrospect i do quite enjoy a blueberry, but his firm denial of my opinion on pumpkin urged me to excercise my recruiter rights, because this is a game i pay for and i should be free to deny anyone i want.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-08-26 11:50:14 UTC
Voltic Borg wrote:




I am not going to sit here and argue with the masses. This is a video game that I pay for and I should have the freedom to move around and experience different things. If for any reason I am not satisfied, or do not approve of the content or am offended I should be able to leave without a growing corp history for someone to pass judgement on 3 yrs later. It NEEDS TO BE A ROLLING YEAR or NOT VISIBLE UNLESS I APPLY TO A NEW CORP.







So you have an idea, but you cannot back it up with reasoning.

WHY should it only be a rolling year? What difference will it make? You're still going to be judged on your full employment history when you apply to any halfway competent corp, either from in game, third party of just API based sources. At most, it means people like me can't guess at your SP levels, but given that you're complaining about being judged by recruiters, that's not really relevant.

In short, WHY.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#19 - 2013-08-26 12:14:50 UTC
Voltic Borg wrote:
I am not going to sit here and argue with the masses. This is a video game that I pay for and I should have the freedom to move around and experience different things. If for any reason I am not satisfied, or do not approve of the content or am offended I should be able to leave without a growing corp history for someone to pass judgement on 3 yrs later. It NEEDS TO BE A ROLLING YEAR or NOT VISIBLE UNLESS I APPLY TO A NEW CORP.
Why do you want CEOs or Dir.'s to be penalised by CCP?

Why do you want CCP to change human nature?

Why should CCP step in to fix a problem that you haven't yet explained is there?

How should CCP go about changing a problem that, so far, exists only by your reaction?

@Nariya Kentaya: I agree, fully, but apparently CCP should have stepped in and protected the applicant by not showing his response to the pie question, CCP penalised the applicant by allowing that info to get through to you ...
Or at least, extending the OPs logic to your example here.

Cool
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-08-26 16:35:57 UTC
Voltic Borg wrote:
Very predictable responses so far....

RAZOR - Who requires and monitors fleet participation on a daily basis, if you can not do that you are kicked and killed in their space. I can't remember but they use monitoring software to track members. You would think it was a real job! its not, its a game.

TNT - One of the worst alliances in the game for offensive subject matter, foul language and inappropriate behavior. Foul images being shared and extremely offensive player Bio's.

I am not asking for employment history to be removed just changed. As far as the 2 alliances listed, try them for yourself and see how wrong I am. I should not have to sit and be subject to that content nor should I be penalized for leaving.

On a brighter note I have found a great corp in a great alliance that does not conduct in this manner, first one I have found since playing Eve. However, I still think a change is needed.

Well, let me chime in with "we use employment history when we do background checks on applicants".

Also, when roaming, it's nice to be able to determine if your target is a newby/alt/scout (age) or an eight year old vet. Makes a difference.

As for jumping around corps? You've found one, they're out there, good luck.

Still no.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
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