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"How can we get more people into nullsec?"

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Ciel Dunois
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-11-12 23:54:32 UTC
Nullsec is held by large monolithic alliances whose overlords pocket all the lucrative wealth while leaving the rest of the faceless puppets with scraps.

"Why should I spend my money and time, serving some overlords?"

This is probably one of the biggest reasons why many don't want to go to null, why should I spend my money and my free time working another job for another boss.

Nullsec is for delusional fools who are tricked by tales of grandeur fed to them over nullsec overlords who want more slaves and underlings fighting for them. Moon mining is a very profitable venture along with Real Money Trade. Nullsec alliances and coalitions ensure smooth operations and maximum profit. This is pocketed by the upper echelon and the bottom sees nothing.

"What's in it for me?"

To be honest, there is really nothing nullsec offers you over anywhere else if you a simple underling. Those who make profit are only a handful and the rest are expected to look out for themselves. Fleet fights are boring and lagtastic. Its as fun as watching paint dry. There is no skills or tactics, just simply mindless blobbing.

Nullsec leaves you as a faceless grunt with fairly little to gain.

I have been in nullsec many times, each experience leaving me with disappointment and dissatisfaction.

Nullsec makes the game feel like another job, and this is a game which one should be able to enjoy with friends and companions, not bosses and drones.

As long as you have nullsec overlords and massive alliances, nullsec will stay as it is.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#2 - 2011-11-12 23:57:20 UTC
I dont know, null sec isnt that bad, sanctums are good money, its just the politics and, like you said, the lagfest fights which are bad

Think I have enough commas?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#3 - 2011-11-12 23:58:47 UTC
Uhh... Yes, blue... Eh, true.

Null Sec has not much to offer these days.
Times change, they always do. They would change faster if CCP would not cater to Null Sec current dweller needs all the time.

I think even CCP imagined something different for Null Sec.

But well, soon-ish we probably get the heroic Null Sec vs High Sec war.

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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#4 - 2011-11-13 05:15:33 UTC
Ciel Dunois wrote:
Nullsec is held by large monolithic alliances whose overlords pocket all the lucrative wealth while leaving the rest of the faceless puppets with scraps.

"Why should I spend my money and time, serving some overlords?"
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YOU SHOULDN'T
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This is probably one of the biggest reasons why many don't want to go to null, why should I spend my money and my free time working another job for another boss.

Nullsec is for delusional fools who are tricked by tales of grandeur fed to them over nullsec overlords who want more slaves and underlings fighting for them. Moon mining is a very profitable venture along with Real Money Trade. Nullsec alliances and coalitions ensure smooth operations and maximum profit. This is pocketed by the upper echelon and the bottom sees nothing.

"What's in it for me?"
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NOTHING !
***********************
To be honest, there is really nothing nullsec offers you over anywhere else if you a simple underling. Those who make profit are only a handful and the rest are expected to look out for themselves. Fleet fights are boring and lagtastic. Its as fun as watching paint dry. There is no skills or tactics, just simply mindless blobbing.

Nullsec leaves you as a faceless grunt with fairly little to gain.

I have been in nullsec many times, each experience leaving me with disappointment and dissatisfaction.

Nullsec makes the game feel like another job, and this is a game which one should be able to enjoy with friends and companions, not bosses and drones.

As long as you have nullsec overlords and massive alliances, nullsec will stay as it is.


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GLAD TO SEE THE WORKING CLASS WAKING UP TO THE REALITY OF EVE'S POLITICAL SITUATION
NOW MAN UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. YOUR EDUCATION WAS THE FIRST STEP TO REVOLUTION.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#5 - 2011-11-13 05:27:41 UTC
the answer is quite simple.

testicle transplants.
Stella Dust
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-11-13 05:34:02 UTC
I guess the other thread was not good enough for you.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-13 05:36:57 UTC
Oh look its another highsec pubbie who thinks they have nullsec all figured out.

But nevermind me, im just some poor mindless slave (who makes plenty of isk to pay for shiny ships that get blown up in pvp) to some evil nullsec overlord (and hey my alliance even reimburses ships I lose on alliance fleets, free pvp) who just RMTs all our hard earned isk (if our alliance CEO RMTs all of our isk how do we run our ship replacement program, keep our poses and JBs fueled, or even pay our sov bills?).

Have yet to be in a boring fleet fight (other than when we get blueballed), and insane lagfests died with the NC.

I live in nullsec because highsec bores me to tears, EVE PvE is mind numbingly boring, PvP is the only real fun thing to do in this game.
Stella Dust
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-11-13 05:39:20 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Oh look its another highsec pubbie who thinks they have nullsec all figured out.

But nevermind me, im just some poor mindless slave (who makes plenty of isk to pay for shiny ships that get blown up in pvp) to some evil nullsec overlord (and hey my alliance even reimburses ships I lose on alliance fleets, free pvp) who just RMTs all our hard earned isk (if our alliance CEO RMTs all of our isk how do we run our ship replacement program, keep our poses and JBs fueled, or even pay our sov bills?).

Have yet to be in a boring fleet fight (other than when we get blueballed), and insane lagfests died with the NC.

I live in nullsec because highsec bores me to tears, EVE PvE is mind numbingly boring, PvP is the only real fun thing to do in this game.




You're in TEST, do they actually PvP?
Dirty Weegie
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-13 05:41:38 UTC
Stella Dust wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Oh look its another highsec pubbie who thinks they have nullsec all figured out.

But nevermind me, im just some poor mindless slave (who makes plenty of isk to pay for shiny ships that get blown up in pvp) to some evil nullsec overlord (and hey my alliance even reimburses ships I lose on alliance fleets, free pvp) who just RMTs all our hard earned isk (if our alliance CEO RMTs all of our isk how do we run our ship replacement program, keep our poses and JBs fueled, or even pay our sov bills?).

Have yet to be in a boring fleet fight (other than when we get blueballed), and insane lagfests died with the NC.

I live in nullsec because highsec bores me to tears, EVE PvE is mind numbingly boring, PvP is the only real fun thing to do in this game.




You're in TEST, do they actually PvP?


Only against Chibba

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ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-11-13 05:46:35 UTC
Ciel Dunois wrote:
I have been in nullsec many times


You're a 5 month old empire player repeating the same old crap spouted by other 5 month old empire players who have no idea about null sec either and think it begins and ends with solo players getting ganked on the first 0.0 gate they try to cross.

Get out of your NPC corp, join Eve University (ignore Poetic Stanziel, he's a bitter noob) and start your Eve experience as a group player. You will find null sec is nothing like you think it is.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-11-13 05:47:34 UTC
Simple: blue high sec NPC corps

Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#12 - 2011-11-13 05:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Stella Dust wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Oh look its another highsec pubbie who thinks they have nullsec all figured out.

But nevermind me, im just some poor mindless slave (who makes plenty of isk to pay for shiny ships that get blown up in pvp) to some evil nullsec overlord (and hey my alliance even reimburses ships I lose on alliance fleets, free pvp) who just RMTs all our hard earned isk (if our alliance CEO RMTs all of our isk how do we run our ship replacement program, keep our poses and JBs fueled, or even pay our sov bills?).

Have yet to be in a boring fleet fight (other than when we get blueballed), and insane lagfests died with the NC.

I live in nullsec because highsec bores me to tears, EVE PvE is mind numbingly boring, PvP is the only real fun thing to do in this game.




You're in TEST, do they actually PvP?


TEST's military arm is built entirely around the concept of drive-by trolling. We assemble massive fleets, so huge no one dares get in our way lest they evaporate, and then sit in POS bubbles until we get so frustrated that we bridge into hostile systems and **** up local something fierce (I have never seen local move faster than a TEST troll driveby, its truly impossible to read). Then we go back home and call it a moral victory.

BTW, this is seriously how the CFC took 6VDT and crushed IT. Massive, 23/7 trolling and station camping. We trolled them to death.

Also, the OPs entire post falls apart when you realize that said "evil overlords" are paying for every single ship you lose and dumping ISK into making fun things happen (if you joined the right side).
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-13 06:02:59 UTC
Stella Dust wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Oh look its another highsec pubbie who thinks they have nullsec all figured out.

But nevermind me, im just some poor mindless slave (who makes plenty of isk to pay for shiny ships that get blown up in pvp) to some evil nullsec overlord (and hey my alliance even reimburses ships I lose on alliance fleets, free pvp) who just RMTs all our hard earned isk (if our alliance CEO RMTs all of our isk how do we run our ship replacement program, keep our poses and JBs fueled, or even pay our sov bills?).

Have yet to be in a boring fleet fight (other than when we get blueballed), and insane lagfests died with the NC.

I live in nullsec because highsec bores me to tears, EVE PvE is mind numbingly boring, PvP is the only real fun thing to do in this game.




You're in TEST, do they actually PvP?


Shooting blues is a form of PvPPirate
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-11-13 06:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Stella Dust wrote:
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Oh look its another highsec pubbie who thinks they have nullsec all figured out.

But nevermind me, im just some poor mindless slave (who makes plenty of isk to pay for shiny ships that get blown up in pvp) to some evil nullsec overlord (and hey my alliance even reimburses ships I lose on alliance fleets, free pvp) who just RMTs all our hard earned isk (if our alliance CEO RMTs all of our isk how do we run our ship replacement program, keep our poses and JBs fueled, or even pay our sov bills?).

Have yet to be in a boring fleet fight (other than when we get blueballed), and insane lagfests died with the NC.

I live in nullsec because highsec bores me to tears, EVE PvE is mind numbingly boring, PvP is the only real fun thing to do in this game.




You're in TEST, do they actually PvP?


TEST's military arm is built entirely around the concept of drive-by trolling. We assemble massive fleets, so huge no one dares get in our way lest they evaporate, and then sit in POS bubbles until we get so frustrated that we bridge into hostile systems and **** up local something fierce (I have never seen local move faster than a TEST troll driveby, its truly impossible to read). Then we go back home and call it a moral victory.

BTW, this is seriously how the CFC took 6VDT and crushed IT. Massive, 23/7 trolling and station camping. We trolled them to death.

Oh, is that what you guys were doing in Nakah today? seemed more like you were just flying a thanatos unguarded in circles while the rest of the fleet was docked up screaming absurdities and something about the Delve Police and cocaine drug-busts in providence.

but what do i know, i only sat around for 10-15 minutes and laughed at local, before spending half an hour shooting at an "elite space guild" blockade unit out of boredom.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#15 - 2011-11-13 06:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Oh, is that what you guys were doing in Nakah today? seemed more like you were just flying a thanatos unguarded in circles while the rest of the fleet was docked up screaming absurdities and something about the Delve Police and ******* drug-busts in providence.

but what do i know, i only sat around for 10-15 minutes and laughed at local, before spending half an hour shooting at an "elite space guild" blockade unit out of boredom.


OMG you should have attacked the Delve Police. Every single time those crazy sons of bitches undock, awesome happens. Also, that thanatos was doing something very important!
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#16 - 2011-11-13 07:36:31 UTC
Big null-sec war cost huge ISK
Stock pile it when you can.

After the winter update, someone in the null-sec overworlds is going to pull the trigger.
Can't wait.Blink

Empire, the next new world order.

Jr Instructorcon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-11-13 10:20:41 UTC
If your alliance isn't stupid, the OP is completely incorrect.

There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about alliances in nullsec. I am going to address them in a somewhat organized manner.

1. Nullsec alliances require you to join certain fleets/dictate to you how to play the game.

False. My alliance has no CTAs. I can do whatever the **** I want to out here. I mine, I fly a bomber, I do market trading, and I manufacture stuff. While we do have fleet doctrines, you are not forced to fly ships within the doctrine. We try to encourage our pilots to follow the doctrine by reimbursing doctrine ships lost in an engagement (as a coherent fleet doctrine is really important in large scale PvP). I have seen people show up to fleets in anything from a blaster rokh to a battle rorqual. We give no fucks.

2. Alliance leaders pocket all the ISK from moongoo, while the "slaves" do their bidding.

False. It has been proven that alliances that don't give their moongoo ISK to their memberbase fail, spectacularly. (Remember OWN?) My alliance's finances are completely open, and can be reviewed by anyone. Most of my alliance's income goes toward reimbursement of members ships and sov bills.

3. Fleet fights are boring, lagtastic, and require no skill or tactics.

Mostly false. Good FCs are worth their weight in gold out here. Large scale fleet engagement tactics and overarching strategy are much more complicated than small scale PvP, requiring the coordination of hundreds of players, advanced knowledge of the game mechanics, and the charisma to settle disputes and herd your legion of cats into the enemy. Fleet fights are a huge adrenaline rush, the teamwork, the comms, the porn linked in fleet chat, all of it leads to a pretty fun experience. Unless you are on a structure shoot. Then you play World of Tanks/Transformice/League of Legends with your fleet mates while your ship unloads for an hour or two on a tower. Lagtastic is generally true, but you get used to it, and learn to fight with it. The time dilation stuff coming should help with that.

TL;DR OP is a idiot who knows nothing of nullsec, and good alliances.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2011-11-13 10:41:34 UTC
You sir, do not speak for me.

I left null becuase it not longer fitted within my time tables.

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Jr Instructorcon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-11-13 10:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jr Instructorcon
Nova Fox wrote:
You sir, do not speak for me.

I left null becuase it not longer fitted within my time tables.


I wasn't aware I was speaking for you. I was pointing out that limited experience with nullsec does not represent all of nullsec.

My time obligations to my alliance are zero. I log in when I want to, to do what I want to. Sorry that you were in a terriblealliance. =)
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#20 - 2011-11-13 10:47:50 UTC
I was infering the OP unless shes your alt.

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