EVE General Discussion

The rash of nullsec threads on GD lately has started to disturb me. Why is this? Do the people who brought down the formerly semi-dangerous High Sec now have nullsec in their sights? Were people who got butthurt by Nullsec emboldened by the aforementioned High Sec risk-aversion squad? What's going on?

Coalitions and massive NAPfests are pretty lame, yes. But they're unavoidable. If Nullsec needs any change it's a change that boosts the ability of smaller groups to disrupt the cash flow that these coalitions are making in their otherwise relatively peaceful space. I'd support a change like that, yes, but not at the expense of everything else that makes Nullsec interesting like sovereignty and player-developed infrastructure.

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That's where you're wrong, you can account for human behaviour, it's not as individual as individuals at least when it comes down to a conrtolled environment and a game is just that.

It might help if you limit the number of systems a corp/alliance can have sovereignty over due to skill points. There are skills for everything in the game except sovereignty.

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The OP pretty much hit it on the head. Go to low sec and lose a ship, many of the pirates tell you to stay in high sec (or next time, bring an expensive ship for them to kill!). Do this enough, and people become jaded to the idea of going through low sec.

Go to null sec, and the first bubble camp kills your ship, pods you, then sends you a letter telling you to stay in high sec (or next time, bring an expensive ship for them to kill!).

The problem may be some mechanics, but I don't believe it to be as massive as the attitude of the players. Many, like me, play to have fun. I stay in high sec with the occasional foray into low to bait a few pirates. I view high sec as a way to make money, as well as to PvP.

Tell me, what is PvP in this game? Currently, it is whoever bring the biggest blob. In null sec, this means whoever drops the most supercaps. In low, it's a combination of capitals and logistics, as well as willingness to pirate.

High sec is different. There, you can't GCC without CONCORD showing up and popping you. It limits the actions of the blob, because those blobs are ineffective. You're sure to be seen by competent players in neighboring systems, and because of this small gang tactics become much more effective.

Yes, logistics become an issue, but not fighting on a station usually limits the effectiveness. In high sec, tactics can be tried to honed.

Error-404 is a PvP corporation that specialized in small-gang PvP. We will never have the numbers to go toe-to-toe with Ad0pt. if it was us versus them. We prefer to take a few ships and fight. Do we use logistics? We try not to, but we have the ability to. That is the equalizer. In high sec, numbers do not make the win. Intelligence does.

However, high sec is slowly being demolished. It used to be (when I started playing, at least) that PvP was not an option. It would find you eventually, like it or not. War decced? Join an alliance, or leave it to lose the dec (or transfer it and have allies!). Or drop corp. There are outs, and there shouldn't be.

By making it so you can dec shield legitimately, or join/leave an alliance to lose a dec, PvP becomes less and less. High sec certainly does become that carebear land groups like EVE University have dreamed of. I've said it many times before: EVE University does not teach PvP. The real teachers are the pirate corporations who specialize in small-gang tactics. In high sec, corporations like Error-404 are teachers, because we will show you where you screwed up, and how to fix it.

But we are dying out. These small-gang corporations and alliances are being told to get the hell out of this game, or join up with a blobbing group. How is that fair to us?

Why does PvP have to be centered squarely around numbers?

Yeah, because 3 people ("small gang") in Warp Scrambler Hurricanes sitting at a gate for the helpless Industrial is F*CKING HARDCORE PVP MAN!!!!

Translation: Go f*ck yourself.

You're wrong again, it's human nature. CCP implemented the changes that were going to result in large mega alliances, they should have realised that would be the result. Meaning they did not think it through fully.

It was not of my own doing as I'm not in one of those alliances, I don't even blame the alliances involved because it was going to happen (not talking about RMT as I can't really say anything on that as I've not seen any proof of large alliances in 0.0 RMTing) . It's the kind of thing that happens when you add competition into the game in the manner CCP did.

Actually the most comic episodes of Eve are being written right now.

RMT 's asking on forums "CCP stop that"

Gankers enjoying the safety of high sec

Null sec dictating to each and every players from older to new one how they have to play this game, forget CCP on the process, they have nothing to say.

Yeah very fun indeed. Excellent experience.

Players created the mega blobs and lagtastic fleet fights. It doesn't matter how much CCP fixes lag, alliances will continue to dump ships into the node UNTIL IT LAGS, THEN THEY WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LAG.

Alliances should stop having their space full of blues so they won't be so bored so much.

Imagine if we applied the Nullsec Alliance systems and Coalitions to the Entire EVE universe. There would simply be not much people to fight, and when targets are found they will be crushed with ridiculous overwhelming force, never to be seen again.


Then they will run out of Targets because no one wants to fight a ridiculously Large Blob.

If you want easy to find and easy to destroy kills, well that's simply too bad, most people will not make the same mistake twice.

Alliances should think about their war philosophy and politics and wonder why nullsec is stagnating.

If they can't do that, well they deserve to fail.

CCP is not responsible are how alliances should be run, that's the Players' job!

Player Driven . that is the wonderful thing about eve .

For over 7 years we have had a player driven game and it has been awesome.

How ever there has been one problem that ccp has been wanting to solve. how to get more people out of high sec and into null?



Unfortunately the players have failed at making null awesome .

As the game stands now it is entirely dependent on the players to make null in to a place that people want to come to.

Over the years the player base has been exposed to null enough, to know whether they are going to stay or avoid it .
The majority have decided to avoid it or worse exploit it.

The exploitation of nullsec is what has made it anemic . The lack of player investment into the game mechanics available to them is another.

Honest attempts have been made by the players to make null attractive but they have all failed. mainly because its easier ,more profitable , and unfortunately more fun to just cannibalize each other than to watch each others backs.

Null as it stands can be interpreted as fine .. but it will take more than just the players to make null into what ccp envisions.