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Peace is Boring

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The Baby-sitter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-08-25 22:56:08 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


AGREED!

That why big blue doughnut coalitions with massive expanses of blue space is ruining the game.

No hate intended - but the CFC has made EvE boring.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-08-25 23:06:23 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


Thought you folks were conducting some sort of economic "warfare", a la nitropes and such ? Not quite the same thing, I know, but I do understand what a pain it is when "we threw a war, and nobody showed up". Roll

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Spergie Scrublord
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-08-25 23:31:08 UTC
The OP, a member of the most powerful alliance in the game - the one that openly and proudly scams, schemes, backstabs and does whatever it can at any opportunity - should truly go down in the history books as the best example ever of the worst case of EVE Online's First World Problems. S/he is no doubt here on the forums presenting her case to subtly prepare us for TheMittani's next big declaration of whatever he has planned. Just a hunch, because this overblown piece of ridiculous writing smells of -- something.

If not, nay I suggest to the OP that making an alt and sending it to Syndicate, where it is constant war with no reasons needed, might relieve her boredom.

Hell, for a serious reality check, drop out of Goonswarm and play the game like the pubbies do. ***gaaaaaaasp***
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-08-25 23:41:56 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.




I don't have much time to play but I do love when we're at war, at least something interesting AND dynamic playing when you log in, peace time fecks me up, I hate kill stupid red crosses for hours for such horrible income and little to no iteration with other players other than share local OGB.

Conclusion:

Buff null pve

Buff wars

Buff station upgrades

Buff null hate

Buff high sec hate

Buff null sec traveling for solo/small gangs

Buff supers/titans killing

Buff my wallet

Buff me

Buff

Buff

Buff

Buff

Buff

Buff

Buff me

Buff

Buff

Buff

Buff

Buff

Buff

Voilà !

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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#45 - 2013-08-26 00:14:58 UTC
You might want to get used to it.

No PvP consortium has the time or desire to go head to head with GSF in a decade old game for a Dotlan empire. They are too well entrenched. Even if GSF implodes, they will be replaced with a cookie cutter version of it. The game is stale. It took a decade. Most games out there take six months to get where EVE is now in terms of repeat playability.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Just Lilly
#46 - 2013-08-26 00:29:26 UTC
Peace...is bad for business Blink
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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-08-26 00:50:01 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:

Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party.


I went through all the post to be sure nobody had mentioned this already.

I would think between GSF, CFC and those set to blue with these alliances and coalition that you would have an extensive bridge network setup so that getting from 1 side of the game map to the other would be nearly effortless.
Nanuuk33
Nuuk's Nookie Monsters
#48 - 2013-08-26 02:35:38 UTC
Maybe if you didn't have a blue list the size of santa's naughty list, you might have more people to war against.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-08-26 02:55:32 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Many of us have already tried to explain to you the reasons why attacking Goonswarm proper isn't really an option but let me re-iterate a few of them in case you forgot:

force projection
invlunerable logistics
free intel
reinforcement timers
structure HP amounts
lack of friendly fire, etc.

Without rebalancing these and probably other game mechanics, a "war" against the CFC amounts to heaping piles of ISK onto a campfire and roasting marshmellows while we tell ghost stories.


You're clearly not up to speed so let me help you get there: IT Alliance, the NC and SoCo all went down despite those things all existing and giving them what you seem to believe is an insurmountable advantage

Unless you think reinforcement timers should be removed from the game to ensure that there are never any fights over sovereignty anywhere, in which case, your input isn't exactly valued!

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Treyan Argund
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-08-26 03:03:52 UTC
Spergie Scrublord wrote:
The OP, a member of the most powerful alliance in the game - the one that openly and proudly scams, schemes, backstabs and does whatever it can at any opportunity - should truly go down in the history books as the best example ever of the worst case of EVE Online's First World Problems. S/he is no doubt here on the forums presenting her case to subtly prepare us for TheMittani's next big declaration of whatever he has planned. Just a hunch, because this overblown piece of ridiculous writing smells of -- something.

If not, nay I suggest to the OP that making an alt and sending it to Syndicate, where it is constant war with no reasons needed, might relieve her boredom.

Hell, for a serious reality check, drop out of Goonswarm and play the game like the pubbies do. ***gaaaaaaasp***


How do you go on living every day? That level of cognitive dissonance must be excruciating.
Sol Kal'orr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-08-26 03:09:07 UTC
If you want a war, start a war.

If you choose to join an alliance where that decision Isn't yours to make that's you own fault.


Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-08-26 03:28:28 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


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Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#53 - 2013-08-26 03:41:00 UTC
The Baby-sitter wrote:
No hate intended - but the CFC has made EvE boring.


Soo attack the cfc? Why does all of 0.0 revolve around the cfc? Theres literally 3/4 of it being rented out atm. Hit those systems and shadoo will have to resub 200 supers to defend it.

and then GL with that Lol
Spergie Scrublord
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-08-26 03:41:21 UTC
Treyan Argund wrote:
Spergie Scrublord wrote:
The OP, a member of the most powerful alliance in the game - the one that openly and proudly scams, schemes, backstabs and does whatever it can at any opportunity - should truly go down in the history books as the best example ever of the worst case of EVE Online's First World Problems. S/he is no doubt here on the forums presenting her case to subtly prepare us for TheMittani's next big declaration of whatever he has planned. Just a hunch, because this overblown piece of ridiculous writing smells of -- something.

If not, nay I suggest to the OP that making an alt and sending it to Syndicate, where it is constant war with no reasons needed, might relieve her boredom.

Hell, for a serious reality check, drop out of Goonswarm and play the game like the pubbies do. ***gaaaaaaasp***


How do you go on living every day? That level of cognitive dissonance must be excruciating.


To answer the question "How do you go on living every day?": I am spergy and a scrublord, and I am also a pubbie, so I eke out a pitiful existence in loathsome ignorance while my betters enjoy the fruits of upgraded sov space.

As to the second part of your comment, I have nothing to say because it makes no sense. I don't think you understand what "cognitive dissonance" means.

Cheers m8 o7 o7. \o/
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-08-26 04:27:18 UTC
Osileon Yoshimeru wrote:
tldr:

Just make some mock wars. Im sure you can sacrifice a few supers.

You said it yourself how spoils of war is great and all. Do some fleet training and burn some of that isk off while you wait for next war. You can try out new tactics and stuff you weren't really sure of doing during a real war.

We could probably organize some intra-CFC brawls, but they would necessarily be limited in scope and size. Neither side of a mock war would want to fully escalate, because doing so depletes real assets which might at any time need to be marshaled against a real aggressor. You can understand why this is not an attractive option.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-08-26 04:27:49 UTC
Durlan Katz wrote:
Is this just a thinly veiled, "Come At Me Bro," then?

Umad?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-08-26 04:32:13 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Anna Karhunen wrote:
So... go talk to your superiors and Goons and get that war rolling. Shouting for it here in General Discussion won't get you anywhere.

You know, for a change of pace someone else could be the aggressor. Smile

Yes who wants to take their shot at a blob.. Maybe break up your alliance and duke it out with them for fun. Why you need all those people anyways.

Lots of people want to take a shot at the blob. Plenty of folks fought against us in Fountain. And on the other side of space, plenty of folks are fighting a blob just as big as the CFC. "The blob," honestly, is a tired line and has been since its first utterance as a rationalization for cognitive dissonance and logistical failure. Employing as many people as you can muster to fight a common foe is a simple element of strategy that has served humanity forever, and it is no different in the pretend space future. But perhaps you are right: perhaps we have become victims of our own successful diplomacy. We shall see what the future holds.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-08-26 04:33:53 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


Then instead of setting people blue and paying them a ton of isk i.e BL, try killing them instead :)

BL was never blue to us; in fact, they have negative standings. We just had Elo Knight and company try to hotdrop an AFK ratting carrier in Deklein today, and they were chased off by fellow ratters who came to his rescue when he heard his shield alarm.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-08-26 04:37:15 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
Go shoot something then.

EDIT: I was a bit vague there, Most of the content is created by action, not sitting around. Stop being lead and start leading.

Yourself, a group, whatever, no point sitting around and doing nothing. Go live up the goonies name and kill something


Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party.

For the aggressor, it is a long and boring slog across a huge expanse of space with the promise of maybe. Maybe the aggressor will find and kill some renters who are ratting or mining; maybe the aggressor will stumble across a home defense fleet and have a brawl; or, most likely, everyone will safe up and ignore the aggressor until they get bored and go home. This is a somewhat infrequent occurrence, exactly because it stands so likely to end in boredom. Some groups, both within my alliance and in hostile alliance, undertake covert (or overt) deployments to enemy space and hotdrop them; but, even that is a bunch of sitting around and waiting for something to maybe happen, and it is very restrictive for what else someone can be doing. Newbies especially, and those people with only a single account, are hard-pressed to find something fun to do during peacetime exactly because of this.

War on the other hand is entirely different.

Once a war effort has been mobilized, there are things to do all day every day. Most days during the Fountain Campaign there were a dozen or more fleets that were formed up, and every form up was either to attack an objective or fight a hostile fleet. You could call a war theater a target rich environment: once deployed, on a large scale, there are enough things to shoot and enough people nearby and ready to shoot them that things can be shot more often than they cannot. Whether a member of the aggressor or defender forces, a player in a war theater has things to do. And because there are things to do, more people show up and in turn there occur even more things to do.

War is great, because everyone from brand new players to seasoned line members to fleet commanders have something to do pretty much whenever they log in. Peace is boring in that the opposite is true: unless you count shooting red crosses or mining to be "something to do," there is very little to be done during peacetime. And that is mostly a consequence of how big space is: as stated above, a day trip into hostile space is a several-region trek which just seems an insurmountable wall of apathy and effort, especially when there is no clear objective other than, "maybe we will muck about and kill a few dudes but most likely they will ignore us and we will go home bored."

So let's have a war!


On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you mind losing this war and seeing your alliance and coalition dismantled?

Goonfleet/waffe/swarm/platoon has endured a lot throughout its history, and while it would undoubtedly make many people uncomfortable I don't think a lost war -- even one that caused the CFC to fracture -- would drive goons from the game. The worst case scenario for me is that I would go play some other game with goons rather than EVE Online; but, I don't think the goon guild in EVE would just give up and disband as a result of a lost war. We rally behind war and hardship, because that gives us a reason to log in and a cause to grit out teeth and fight for. Maybe you have some secret information that I don't about some existential threat to GSF or the CFC?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-08-26 04:38:51 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


just blast spacemonkeys, you should execute a corp in the CFC to assure the others don't mess with you... its evil but it has to be done from time to time to assure you don't lock like softies, nullsec has to be ruled with an iron fist to keep it under control


But if we looked big and mean, then we might scare you away. And we can't have that! Space friends?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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