EVE General Discussion

In real life I have been told I am one of the nicest persons ever met by many individuals. My ingame characters may or may not reflect that. This is one of the main reasons I play EVE.

As for,
“If the community had some dignity”

This game isn't called nights and chivalry online. While some of us who pvp do so as a way to express locked up emotions, most of us do it simply because its fun. PvP isn't always personal in this game and I feel that's what your problem is. No one cares if a freighter loses it cargo or a market trader gets his stock busted. You think that an mmo like EVE were to make it safe for every activity it would still be fun or dynamic? No, it would be just another cookie cutter mmo where people would tire with after they hit level so and so.

In this game you can be the good guy, the bad guy, the thief, the scientist, or whatever. If things don't go your way you can always find ways to fight back. You just have to be smart and except the fact that you will lose many times before you get good at this game, which is how it should be imo.

“The community is just sick, and CCP more or less supports it.”

Again, if this game doesn't make you happy find one that will. If you want censorship you have come to the wrong place.

You must not be familiar with the history of EVE. EVE was created by people who liked to play the older version of Ultima Online. You know, the "ok to kill and loot anyone you come across, rampant killing, ganking, scamming, able to kill the creator of the game" Ultima Online, before they caved in to the whining of carebear scum like you and changed the game to have consensual pvp only. At which point UO died. CCP was founded to make a space version of UO. They've been on record saying this too.

So all this stuff you are wringing your hands over? 100% intended.



The freaking casuals need to understand that by undocking, they consent to PvP. That'd solve the problem a little better imo. Especially since, even once the freaking casuals manage to ruin a game with their whining, they typically don't stop there. So why give the inch in the first place?

Oh, and attempting to categorize your opposition in the negative in real life, as you have done, typically is one of the last resorts of someone without a salient point to make. So saying things like "failed upbringings" just reveals what a childish position you have taken, although taking up the banner of the freaking casuals had told me that already.


Again, 100% intended. Furthermore, you do not get to define griefing, CCP does. You can try and throw out emotionally charged terms like "cyberbullying" as much as you like, but most of us simply do not care. I myself disagree with even the very concept of cyberbullying intrisically, seeing as online activity is entirely consensual to participate. That being, I don't think such a thing even exists, it's merely the word they use for the overblown reactions of the thin-skinned.

1) Lets see metrics of just how many actually have this as a playstyle. I doubt it's honestly over 10% of players.

2) I've played for 3 1/2 years and can't tell good from bad. There is nothing that can ever be inserted into the mechanics to make this possible. Watched, during a mining fleet once where one of the Corps long time players just suddenly blew up the Orca, just for lulz and vanished forever with never another login. That cannot be predicted. Had been in that corp 5 years.

3) No. The community is not sick. Unlikely even the 10% I mentioned do that absolutely all the time.

I'm industrial as all heck, and I've had reason to pop miners myself. And with good reason.

You really should move on to another game since EVE upsets you so much. And do not claim it doesn't.

except concord response times.

i wish the local rozzers responded as fast as concord do.

Erm....that's called giving yourself permission. Grow a bigger ego.

It's more like a football game. You try like hell to avoid being tackled, but you still shouldn't complain to the police if it happens.

ha... HAHAHA

EVE has gotten NOTHING BUT SAFER over the years, especially in hghsec.

if you think EVE is "getting too nasty" then i kindly invite you to leave and not return.

You haven't proved your point at all. Your OP basically can be compiled into "Wardecs are griefing!!!".

Which is pure, unadulterated nonsense.

The "vicious venom" you are referring to is simply people disagreeing with your ludicrous premise, which if you can pull off some introspective thinking should be easy to understand.

Here's some advice for you. Wardecs are not griefing. Some people play this game to get kills. It's not "no reason", it's to kill you. Which is a perfectly valid reason.

Because griefing is defined by CCP, and is actionable. Call a spade a spade, yes, I am out to ruin your day, but I am not "griefing" anyone through legitimate use of pre-existing mechanics. Am I harvesting tears? Yes. Do I enjoy it? Very much so. Am I proud of how I play? Hell yes I am.

But the distinction is there and it's a vital one, considering that for actual griefing you can be justifiably banned.

To turn that question around, why are people so eager to just label anyone who shoots at them "griefers", hmm?

Hrm... Have they defined it somewhere else? I thought you might be right actually, but for the life of me I can't find the word "grief" in the EULA. I see the language of "harrassing" and "harrasment".

But I don't see anywhere in the EULA where it is against the rules a player to cause another player grief.

I did a google search and the EVE wiki came up and it said:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Griefing



So what I see here is that some forms of griefing is bannable and some are not. This means yes... You can grief in EVE and not be banned.

The article even goes on to give examples of griefing as miner bumping and certain war decs as griefing. One should ask if these things aren't griefing then why have an official article about such activities?

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There is a mention in the user suspension and ban policy that says:



Which means to me that some griefing is not allowed, but this doesn't not mean that all of what griefing is forbidden. This seems to be a blanket statement on people using exploits to grief.