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Foundations of Freedom: An Open Essay
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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#121 - 2013-08-22 03:16:04 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Is he racist? Probably. Is this news? No. Does it matter? Nope.



True, but you should know me well enough by now to know that I'm a sucker for pointlessly dissecting an argument that's of no real consequence.

Some people grow bonsai trees, some people juggle geese, I quibble.


Fair enough, just so long as we all understand the situation. Carry on!


Or don't! I'll be in the bar.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Hadi Shouna
Transfinite Exploration
#122 - 2013-08-22 18:49:49 UTC
That's the trademark Caldari efficiency I've come to admire!
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#123 - 2013-08-23 19:39:23 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not very good with this sort of logic, but, well. I had thought that assigning a negative universal of human nature to a specific racial group was a functional definition of racism? Maybe I should just stay in my lab.


Is it racist if it happens to be true?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2013-08-23 19:54:48 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Is it racist if it happens to be true?

Funny how that excuse doesn't work when people point out the pandemic tendency for Amarrian unwarranted self-importance.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#125 - 2013-08-23 21:09:22 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
Morwen, if he believes that then he's an even bigger idiot than I'd thought.

Oh yeah, Rodj is uncannily good at pushing the boundaries of people's opinions on Amarrians.

... downward.


You do not speak for "people".

Stitcher wrote:

I'm not going to bother repeating the questions, I'm just going to demand an answer that makes sense, is not founded upon what you think my motives or opinions are, and which is consistent.


Her answer makes sense, you are just unable to wrap your head around it.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#126 - 2013-08-24 15:08:10 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not very good with this sort of logic, but, well. I had thought that assigning a negative universal of human nature to a specific racial group was a functional definition of racism? Maybe I should just stay in my lab.


Is it racist if it happens to be true?


I have no idea, sir; I am probably the last person you would want to refer to as a linguist. I would warn you that proving such a hypothesis would be exceptionally difficult, though. Bias would be systemic in all but the most rigorous tests.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#127 - 2013-08-24 18:50:41 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not very good with this sort of logic, but, well. I had thought that assigning a negative universal of human nature to a specific racial group was a functional definition of racism? Maybe I should just stay in my lab.


Is it racist if it happens to be true?


I have no idea, sir; I am probably the last person you would want to refer to as a linguist. I would warn you that proving such a hypothesis would be exceptionally difficult, though. Bias would be systemic in all but the most rigorous tests.

Well, I am not an expert in racism as well, but... isn't it what comes with actions, but not words?

I mean, you can tell some things, that are peculiar to the group, and if these things are confirmed by multiple sources and can be confirmed again by independent expert, it will be truth, but not racism. However, members of this group may call this approach racist, just because they are insulted, hurt and simply want to "avenge" with words. But it won't be racism.

On the other hand, when you tell that you respect anyone, but conduct systematic policy of actions against the said group, for example, like gallenteans, who bomb Caldari planets, who ram Caldari stations, start anti-Caldari riots, making hideous plans to provoke planetary destruction, but claiming that peoples are 'equal', well, this would be racism.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#128 - 2013-08-24 18:55:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
On the other hand, when you tell that you respect anyone, but conduct systematic policy of actions against the said group, for example, like gallenteans, who bomb Caldari planets, who ram Caldari stations, start anti-Caldari riots, making hideous plans to provoke planetary destruction, but claiming that peoples are 'equal', well, this would be racism.


Taking on your post at a purely semantic level, I'd describe that as hypocrisy, not racism.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#129 - 2013-08-24 19:09:09 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
On the other hand, when you tell that you respect anyone, but conduct systematic policy of actions against the said group, for example, like gallenteans, who bomb Caldari planets, who ram Caldari stations, start anti-Caldari riots, making hideous plans to provoke planetary destruction, but claiming that peoples are 'equal', well, this would be racism.


Taking on your post at a purely semantic level, I'd describe that as hypocrisy, not racism.

Look, Puppy, that they deny, what they actually do, might be hypocrisy, but it is their actions that is the racism.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.