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HAC, Marauder or command ship

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Azeroth Undershaft
Silent Knight Industries - Virtual Tech
#1 - 2013-08-24 12:31:51 UTC
Right,

So I use a mega for mission running and dedspace combats and I'm wondering where to take my skills next. I like the look of a HAC but it feels like a step down because a BS to cruiser. That thinking took me to either a command ship or a marauder.
But I've not been able to find anything about if a command ship would be any good in a solo mission (obviously has the usefulness for fleet battles)

So the tl;dr from a mega, is a good way forward a HAC, marauder aor a command ship for solo mission/ded space?

Thanks for any advice in advance
Jain Zare
Massive Dynamics.
#2 - 2013-08-24 12:51:19 UTC
I recommend a Kronos marauder, it is certainly an upgrade from the Mega, Ive run lvl 4s in both HAC and Command ships, it is fun but it takes a long time. Get a Kronos and start pimping it up, get Navy magnetic field stabilizers, x-type Large armor repairer and some other blingy stuff and youve got yourself one of the most efficient mission ships in the game.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-08-24 12:53:02 UTC
I'd vote hac. Your isk/hr will be better as a hac is faster for fairly high damage if at lower projection. The tank on a hac will be more than sufficient for a L4 and should be good for most cosmic/anoms a bs could reasonably solo. (You'll want to check that as I don't claim to be an expert)

More importantly though, if you decide to move out of pve and transition to PvP hac-V is a valuable skill to have out of the way. Particularly looking towards the hac buffs. Conversely, marauder is largely worthless in PvP and a mach can match or outperform them. That is give or take the tracking nerf v cruise buff though.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2013-08-24 13:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
What do you mean by "ded space"? Are you in null or something?

For missions, a Marauder is the obvious choice. For exploration, I'd go CS (two utility highs after the patch makes for some interesting possibilities) or straight into a T3. Unless you're trying to explore in high sec, in which case a HAC will let you into 3/10s so just go with that. Oh, and if the HAC is an Ishtar, just go with that period.
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morons.
#5 - 2013-08-24 14:35:47 UTC
Azeroth Undershaft wrote:


So the tl;dr from a mega, is a good way forward a HAC, marauder aor a command ship for solo mission/ded space?




A pirate BS - HACs are underwhelming after the rebalance and I'd save the skilltime and isk for faction cruisers if you want to go cruiser sized. Same goes for CS to a large extent.

Marauders are outperformed by their pirate faction counterparts and whilst training for them, you get the opprtunity to fly more hulls than one for only marginally increased effort.

They're due for a balance pass anytime soon, however given CCPs fear of powercreep, I'd expect them to be kind of 'meh' after that too...
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Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-08-24 14:52:31 UTC
I would go for a CS. Some of them look very interesting after the 1.1 patch. Pirate battleships are great for incursions and mission running, but for DED complexes, I would go for a CS instead.

Then again, no reason you can't just train for both. :D
Eli Kzanti
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-08-24 15:49:07 UTC
Spend a few billion isk on a ship for SUPER EFFICIENT MISSION RUNNING in a pirate battleship or kronos or something. Nobody ganks those anyways.

In all seriousness, I'd take the Kronos, although you may want to wait for their rebalance details to be announced Soon™.
Yabba Addict
Legion of the Many
#8 - 2013-08-24 17:07:44 UTC
Keep the BS and spend all the isk you've just saved on pew... I honestly don't understand people that blast so much on a more efficient mission runner, only to spend another 100 hours grinding just to break even.
Azeroth Undershaft
Silent Knight Industries - Virtual Tech
#9 - 2013-08-24 17:33:35 UTC
So, let me see if I'm getting this, Kronos great for level 4's but vindicator is better
Ishtar HAC would be better for wormholes or lower sec spaces.
For deep null ishtar still good but could be better in a command ship due to more utility
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#10 - 2013-08-25 04:42:36 UTC
Ishtar is a really versatile ratting ship and can do L4s, high-end deadspace complexes, wormhole combat sites, belt ratting, etc. It's also quicker than a clunky battleship so it does well in hostile space and can even be refit for PvP easily. It also has plenty of utility highs as well as good drone bay for more utility.

All-in-all I'd say go Ishtar.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-08-25 12:35:48 UTC
Azeroth Undershaft wrote:
Right,

So I use a mega for mission running and dedspace combats and I'm wondering where to take my skills next. I like the look of a HAC but it feels like a step down because a BS to cruiser. That thinking took me to either a command ship or a marauder.
But I've not been able to find anything about if a command ship would be any good in a solo mission (obviously has the usefulness for fleet battles)

So the tl;dr from a mega, is a good way forward a HAC, marauder aor a command ship for solo mission/ded space?

Thanks for any advice in advance


From the choices you have offered, a Marauder is easily best for missioning. Sustained damage projection is the key characteristic of a mission ship.

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Novah Soul
#12 - 2013-08-25 14:03:44 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Ishtar is a really versatile ratting ship and can do L4s, high-end deadspace complexes, wormhole combat sites, belt ratting, etc. It's also quicker than a clunky battleship so it does well in hostile space and can even be refit for PvP easily. It also has plenty of utility highs as well as good drone bay for more utility.

All-in-all I'd say go Ishtar.

I'd concur with this one. Right now (well, after ody 1.1 patch anyway, which will be any time) the Istar looks to be in a very good place in all PvE facets of the game and definitely no slouch in PvP as well. It's dps/tracking should easily be in the range of a drone-focused Dominix, and this combined with it's speed and sig should make it excel in many tasks.

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2013-08-26 01:28:43 UTC
A ship that is purely drone bonused is not going to mission faster/better than a BS. Even drone BS are slower than the standard BS's. BS kill BS faster, its just the way it is. They also happen to kill BC and some cruisers faster. A HAC has medium guns, which have range issues.. so from your choices go marauder if you want to salvage as you go along, or go big and get a vindi Blink

BTW.. easy is not the best.. drone boats are easy mode..
Azeroth Undershaft
Silent Knight Industries - Virtual Tech
#14 - 2013-08-26 11:07:58 UTC
Hmm very useful everyone, thank you.
Definitely, when taking into account training time, that I should Train for HAC. and buy a Vindicator for High sec.
I use an alt in a noct for salvage so don't need the marauder's bonuses for that.
The versatility of the HAC outweighs any issue I could have really.

Thanks all.
Whitehound
#15 - 2013-08-26 14:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Regardless of what you train should you train Gallente Battleship to 5, because Gallente has got some really nice battleships right now. You also want Advanced Weapon Upgrades at level 5, because it makes some fittings possible and others cheaper, and for all your ships. So while training for a Marauder seems to be a bit of a stretch do you get some really useful skills with the training path.

Training for a HAC is likely less time consuming for you, but to fly the Ishtar should you have T2 sentry drone skills, which you might not have yet. Therefore some additional skill training will very likely be required, but you can get into the ship soon.

Command ships are nice, but are somewhat overrated. It requires five Leadership skills at level 5 and you will not ever be able to make use of all of these skills at the same time, and often enough not be able to use only one or two of the skills. You will have spend a lot of time on getting access to a new hull without having done much or anything for your other ships. Command ships therefore have a bit of a prestige, because not everyone can or should fly them, which for some makes them only more irresistible.

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Ginger Barbarella
#16 - 2013-08-26 20:59:40 UTC
Azeroth Undershaft wrote:
Right,

So I use a mega for mission running and dedspace combats and I'm wondering where to take my skills next. I like the look of a HAC but it feels like a step down because a BS to cruiser. That thinking took me to either a command ship or a marauder.
But I've not been able to find anything about if a command ship would be any good in a solo mission (obviously has the usefulness for fleet battles)

So the tl;dr from a mega, is a good way forward a HAC, marauder aor a command ship for solo mission/ded space?

Thanks for any advice in advance


Anybody can (and probably does) Battleship. Go cruiser. Be imaginative; be original. Bigger isn't always better.

Just recently picked up a Legion, trained up most of the Subsystem skills and Strat Cruiser skills for it. My realization:
1. HAM: Sacrilege does it better.
2. Lazors: Anything does it better.
3. Drones: Everything does it better.

I was considering arty or AC fitting it, but then that would just be a joke (since EVERY SHIP does it better). Go Sleip or SNI if you insist on BS. Go Ferox for a fun BC. Go SFI or Cynabal or *gasp* Ashimmu if you want want fun in a cruiser. But by all means, if you just want to grind/blitz L4 missions, just take a cookie cutter off Battleclinic, fill up the lows with the same T2 damage mod, and whip out the calculator for the isk/hr conversions.

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