Wormholes

Hi capsulers, i am looking for advice for 2 possible fits to fly solo and small fleet (3-4 ppl) in a C3 WH.
What i am looking for is a ship of any race (if u prefer tengu i am ok with that) that can do anomalies in C3 WH completely alone, with a decent faction (not deadspace) fit possible. Been a while i went through fittings and didnt catch up changes for wormholes last year. I know, from what i heard that wormholes changes drastically (adding neut spawns, webs, etc.)
So is there still a ship/fit that can do this sites solo easily ? (I can fly everyship upto t2 battleship size from any race with a proper fit)

2nd what i am looking for is some kind of tengu(or any other ship, but not BS size) RR fit for a fleet of 3-4 ppl if possible. Basicly what i am looking for is a fitting w/o needing to warp-off from an anomaly. I went through battleclinics fits but didnt find anything even close to what i am looking for and i am sure u guys have much more experience with it.

For both fittings i am looking for a ship that will cost me max 1.5 bil ISK with fitting included ;)

Thank you very much, i would appriciate any good fittings, plz consider a fact i cant afford a HG crystal set right now.
Regards Cinan

I seriously doubt Forgotten Frontier Recursive Depot is soloable a Tengu. It doesn't have enough cap. The triple Sleepless Upholder spawn does 1400 DPS with 150km optimal and neuts to 70km. Since being out of neut range means taking full damage from the lasers (no transversal) and the full on 1400 EM/Therm DPS is pretty much untankable, you have to somehow get +30 cap/sec to spare with your prop mod running so you can speed tank them in neut range. Good luck with that.

Just an example of Tengu.

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Pithum B-Type Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy EM Ward Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regen Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier


You dont need the deadspace/faction apart from the booster

I think i have done it on tengu but with fleet booster for shields. Not 100% sure tho... Rewarps are possible if you kill frigs in the final wave

t1 Cap rig can be swapped with Rigor Catalyst (name?). Tested yesterday, with this setup frigs need 1 missile launch less to pop.

Lol, you're new to wormhole space aren't you? The funny part of your statement is that Especially in low class whs your income is highly dependent on nanoribbons, a salvage drop. They cost about 5 mill on market and you can get about 5 of them per site. Combine that with the 25 mill in blue loot (which you really need a noctis to score in a timly manner seeing as the wrecks are 50 km from each other at times) and you get 50 mill on a good site. (on a bad site you salvage and get no ribbons anyway and then you cry)

With good skills probably take you 20-30 mins to do the site then 10 mins to salvage with payout around 30 mill in blue loot. THen salvage on top if you are lucky.


Isk per Hour you coudl probably make 100 mill but Ishperhour is usually a useless scale in wormholes as theres so much logistics to do.

Doesn't it take bloody ages to kill sleeper frigs with HMLs and no rigors?

It would take ages with battleship class weapons.With HMLs (cruiser class weapons) and using high precision type when firing at frigates you would need approximately 5-7 volleys or 25 seconds more or less,for each frigate.That's a good time when you run only c3 anomalies.It can be further get down if you modify your fit to have a target painter which will give you 40% more damage when firing on frigates.



I'm sorry but this isn't the case.A maxed raven with 6 x t2 cruise missile launchers and 4 x faction ballistics will take 40% more time to take out a sleeper frigate in comparison to the above numbers i gave for HMLs & heavy precisions.Not only that but it will actually do less dps to sleeper cruisers as well.All that due to the large explosion radius of the cruise missile.

In any case i would fly a, properly fitted (active shield-passive cap), battleship to solo a c3 anomaly\sig only in-system and with a POS present in that system,always aligned to the POS.Wouldn't dare to make jumps to other wormholes and farm statics with a battleship.It doesn't have an interdiction nullifier,its not agile and essentially you have to use drones to take out the frigates which is not efficient for soloing,perharps it is for small fleet runs but not for solo.

HML: 121m/s - 105m radius
Cruise: 103m/s - 210m radius

Comparing Navy (scourge) for both. The Raven though has two painters, so let's undervalue those and say it's a 50% sigbloom. Which puts the relation to

HML: 120m/s - 105m radius
Cruise: 103m/s - (effective less than) 150m radius

So a good 50-60% advantage for the tengu. Dps is quite 540 for the tengu, 730 for the raven. In the odd case that you aren't shooting frigs, or even shoot the battleships, the raven is better. With that option high, you can install a heavy neut for defense, you can install a Dark Blood Large Smartbomb and just bomb those sleeperfrigs, can even take jam-drones along in case you're getting tackled by a cloaky tech-III (they all get jammed a lot by EC-300s with their ewar-sub)

Ever since the cruise buff, I do not see a reason to fly heavies over cruises anymore.

Not to mention the difference of losing 230mil or 900mil+SP.

http://zkillboard.com/detail/31098210/ - this doesn't happen against a raven aswell.

The OP was refering for anomalies so my recommendations were just for that.I personally dont run HMLs but HAMs in close range so my fits are made accordingly.My dps is between 800-900 give or take depending on what i want to solo, a c3 anomaly or a c3 relic-data.With that kind of dps i dont need a bulky, slow & with no interdiction nullifier ship.It just takes longer and its much more unsafe.Especially the anomalies i get in with 900+ dps and finish 1 every 5 minutes.I do 3-4 anoms in a row then bring a Proteus covert+interdiction null salvager.For the same reasons i will mention shortly i dont use a Noctis to salvage inside wormholes, in the same respect i dont use a Raven-BS but a Tengu to run the sites.

Have been soloing c3's for 3 years as my main plex income and have never lost a Tengu because of its agility & interdiction nullifier sub.You cannot escape death as easily with a raven or BS for that matter.If in 200 c3 site runs someone will lose a Tengu 1 time the equivalent loses for a BS would be at least 4.

Im not sure what kind of wh ops you are refering to with this raven.Solo everything or fleet runs where you have help with other ships? If the latter then a BS would be a good option if the operation is in-system with a POS present.If the former then i doubt a 230mill ?? only ? Raven could solo the relic-data sites especially the one with the 3ple upholder spawn.Its a battleship with higher sig radius, lower speed and dps which i doubt could effectively compare with HAMs, assuming you have reached the desired tank. Thats out of my head now as i cant look at eft or EveHQ to be certain, but i believe it is the case and certainly not only 230mill.

You can take countermeasures like the ones you described if someone tackles you but they just wont be enough in most of the cases.If you solo in wh with a BS and someone tackles you are 99% dead.The trick is, at least for my experience, to try and avoid be tackled.In order to do that you need a T3 Cruiser, an interdiction nullifier, always be aligned to a planetary object or bookmark during combat that is along the path of your current target & lots of dscan.Also a maxed HML Tengu with proper fit has a dps of between 630-680 & not 540, assuming you will use at least the 3% missile implants and faction ballistics.Tengu gives you all the tools you need to protect your investment,and basically thats what you pay for.All you need to do is to be focused during the actual running.

I can remember a dozen cases where i watched with my proteus salvager (cloaked), inside a c3 and orbiting the hsec static, ships getting destroyed because while they managed to escape the initial tackle at the c3 anomaly they where running, they didnt escape the bubble that was waiting for them at the hsec exit along with 5-6 ships.There are ways to counter this but the fact is the sooner you get your ship off the wormhole the better.

It is very rewarding escaping an attack from 2 tacklers at a c3 anomaly, warping directly to the bubbled c3 exit & just watch their friends not even trying a lock because they realize that you have an interdiction nullifier equiped.Even if i had to choose between HMLs and Cruise i would still choose the Tengu because of its much better survivability.When you want to solo inside the C3, safety is the number one factor around which i believe someone should decide what ship setup he will use. After that is dps and tank.Otherwise you will end up spending your profits more often than you would expect, to cover your losses.