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Strategic Cruiser - Offensive module (Bomber)

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Devils Bite
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-08-21 22:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Devils Bite
Had to edit original post to clarify.

I'd like to see a T3 Bomber - Ideas?

Example: tengu offensive module - may fit bomb launcher
- 60% shield capacity
+ 30% Agility


Id like to seen some theory craft.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#2 - 2013-08-21 22:53:13 UTC
Devils Bite wrote:
I just searched the forums and saw nothing on T3 Bombers

I'd like to see a T3 Bomber - Ideas?

No cloak, can only fit bomb launcher, but has assault frigate defenses.
(No turret or launcher hardpoints)

In exchange, can fit 2 bomb launchers.

Wait, you meant tier three, right?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#3 - 2013-08-21 22:53:32 UTC
Devils Bite wrote:
I just searched the forums and saw nothing on T3 Bombers
I'd like to see a T3 Bomber - Ideas?


Are we talking T3 frigates? If so, definitely.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#4 - 2013-08-21 23:28:52 UTC
T3 frigates: 2 years ago the answer was 'never gonna happen'.

T3 cruiser with bomb launchers? No. No no no no no no. T3 cruisers are the single worst implemented feature I have ever seen.

T3 bomb launcher module? Why?

This thread confuses me. It's not marauders with bomb launchers. It's something new that takes attention away from other things that need looking at more.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2013-08-21 23:42:10 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
T3 frigates: 2 years ago the answer was 'never gonna happen'.


Aren't the current bombers frigate class?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2013-08-21 23:59:28 UTC
I don't think the OP knows what the term "T3" implies.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2013-08-22 00:13:56 UTC
No to bombing subsystems.

No to bombers with BS tanks on cruiser hulls.

No.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#8 - 2013-08-22 00:40:21 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
T3 frigates: 2 years ago the answer was 'never gonna happen'.


Aren't the current bombers frigate class?


Yes but they aren't modular T3 frigates with overblown tank that can cloak, negate bubbles and deal cruiser levels of damage with small weapons. The issues with T3's is that they're supposed to be generalist ships that are reasonbly good at many jobs but not better than a T2 at its specific role.

Instead, for the last 3-4 years we've seen T3's be better than T2 at pretty much everything, have as much as or more tank than a battleship and only slightly less damage.

Let's look at it this way: T3 battleship

Hyperion looking hull. Can launch a maximum of 10 drones at max skills. Gets a damage bonus to drones. Can covert cyno and has 500k EHP, active tanks 1100 dps comfortably. Average dps output 1500-2000dps. This is the kind of ridiculous **** you could expect to see should a T3 battleship project follow the precedent set by T3 cruisers. It doesn't help the game to be more competitive or diverse. What it does is inflate the base requirements for participation in an engagement where these things are included.

Last night I was watching some videos on capital ships (since I don't really know how to use one) and one particular fight I saw was 3-4 proteus' fighting a chimera. Despite the fact that the chimera should theoretically be able to infini-tank the T3's it still got burnt down because the prots were a) too much sustained dps, b) too much tank and too much ease of access to efficient active tanking, c) too many utility slots when combined with the above ppoints
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#9 - 2013-08-22 02:16:49 UTC
If it's a choice between T3 frigates and T3 battleships, my vote is battleships.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#10 - 2013-08-22 03:01:33 UTC
TECH 8 BOMBERS NOW! ALWAYS MORE TECHS!





*ahem*
What's the unfilled niche you're proposing that these would fill?

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Kitfox Shachi
Bunyip Hunters
#11 - 2013-08-22 04:10:28 UTC
you dont need funky T3 bombers.

just allow the bomb launchers to be fitted on Navy Ravens only and no restriction one per ship. :)

8 million of ordinance per salvo never felt so good :)
Cade Windstalker
#12 - 2013-08-22 08:50:39 UTC
This would pretty much kill the Stealth Bomber and goes against what CCP have stated as their goal for the ship-rebalancing, where T3 ships are supposed to be more general than T1 while T2 are supposed to be more specialized.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-08-22 09:20:15 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Devils Bite wrote:
I just searched the forums and saw nothing on T3 Bombers

I'd like to see a T3 Bomber - Ideas?

No cloak, can only fit bomb launcher, but has assault frigate defenses.
(No turret or launcher hardpoints)

In exchange, can fit 2 bomb launchers.

Wait, you meant tier three, right?


Heavy bombers tho.... That thought makes me smile a little bit. I get that warm fuzzy feeling one can get from happy thoughts on nice warm days in spring.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#14 - 2013-08-22 10:26:13 UTC
I maintain that the only other ship in the game that should be given bomb launcher capacity is the marauder. Why make a new ship to fill this role when you have another ship already that doesn't have any real place in the game?
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#15 - 2013-08-22 11:26:21 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
T3 frigates: 2 years ago the answer was 'never gonna happen'.


Aren't the current bombers frigate class?


Yes yes they are and funny thing is the name gives them away: Stealth Bomber Class.

Oh and no to another "Bomber" ship...
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-22 13:06:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
T3 frigates: 2 years ago the answer was 'never gonna happen'.


Aren't the current bombers frigate class?



Frigate class yes, T3 concept nope and not ready to happen CCP already stated this but welp, it's CCP so...

Dramiel was your T3 frigate, see what it happen before it got nerf? -no need for T3 frigates, no way
And on topic: no need of an expensive T3 cruiser hull bomber class but rather a very tough HIC able to fit cover ops cloak.
AND also need to get tht command sub thrown to oblivion, flushed down the toilets, erased from DB, delete that code line and all references to it then take a red pill and forget how it worked forever.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

Onomerous
KARNAGE
Ghostbirds
#17 - 2013-08-22 13:55:51 UTC
No for all the reasons already stated and then some.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#18 - 2013-08-22 22:20:54 UTC
I see the OP has been revised to Strategic Cruiser bombers. I can't see the advantage of giving up 60% shields for the ability to simply wield a bomb in null or wormhole space.

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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-08-23 00:40:54 UTC
T3 ships are already OP pwnships of doom.

Bomber squads are already the tactical thermonuclear terrorist weapons of Eve. They are undetectable until the point of release of their ordnance and there is no counter whatsoever other than to warp the entire fleet off within 4 seconds of the first launch.

They are deliberately flimsy because they are so incredibly powerful, being able to wipe out an entire fleet in one co-ordinated launch. Arguably far too powerful (perhaps Eve should offer an AWACS module to detect incoming fleets of nukes?)

Add T3s and bombs and you get unkillable thermonuclear bomb launchers.

Utterly ridiculous.

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suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2013-08-23 07:05:59 UTC
Devils Bite wrote:
Had to edit original post to clarify.

I'd like to see a T3 Bomber - Ideas?

Example: tengu offensive module - may fit bomb launcher
- 60% shield capacity
+ 30% Agility


Id like to seen some theory craft.


The question has to be asked.....

why this over a current bomber fitted and rigged for max agility?

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted

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