Ships & Modules

(Note to all you hotshot forumwarriors: This is neither a feature nor an idea, as I am proposing nothing. Stay in your dark corner.)

TL;DR I want to hear what you think will happen to the Sin through tiericide, not what you think is wrong with it/what it's good for currently.

Now, as we are mostly aware there's something to be desired about black ops battleships. Some've suggested that adding the covops cloak to them would fix them; I dunno, and I'm not interested in talking about that.

Looking at the bonuses to the ships from the Black Ops skill, we can see a smorgasbord of delightful and useful buffs alongside the 125% cloaked velocity bonus:

• The Widow: 30% bonus to ECM jammer strength. I think we all know that ECM tank, alongside station tank, honortank and highsec tank is the best tank.
• The Redeemer: 7.5% bonus to tracking per level. Lovely, big guns always work best when they hit things.
• The Panther: 5% bonus to velocity. Ehhhhh, but coupled with the fact it's a minmatar hull and does 625% that original (pre other skills) 125% when cloaked there is use to be had from this speed boost. Small as it may be.
• The Sin: 5% bonus to agility. Oh.

Now, on the face of it this bonus would seem to have at least some merit, considering the hybrid turret damage bonus the Sin gets from Gallente Battleship V. Kite like a watermelon, sting like a bee (And no, I don't mean die just after you finally land a decent hit. Although that does seem to be a similarity, alongside body shape). But look, the poor ickle Sin can only bring four guns to bear. The Panther gets five turrets, and even the Widow gets five launchers, whilst the redeemer gets a whopping six! May seem like a tiny difference when you consider the fact that the Sin gets its 5% damage bonus, but look!

• The Widow: 5% ROF bonus and 10% cruise and torp velocity bonus
• The Redeemer: 7.5% tracking bonus, 5% bonus to ROF and a 10% bonus to turret capacitor use ()
• The Panther: 5% Damage bonus, 5% ROF bonus
• The Sin: 5% Damage bonus, 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per level.

...Ah. Split weapons. Lovely. But with no bonus to tracking to either of them, the Sin does a very good job of spinning in circles on the spot with its 25% agility bonus, whilst railguns or blasters shoot at a target that moved about two minutes ago and Ogres and Sentries wonder when exactly in their career they lost their edge.

So, I wonder now: What do you think will happen to the Sin from tiericide? What should happen to the papertank potato? Will it go the way of the Dominix and become a focused drone carrier with some nice blackops extras, or will CCP bolt on an extra blaster and give it the bonus it needs to become a "surprise beeeeeyotch" gunboat? Or maybe something else entirely?

Sin is a really useful combat BLOPS atm. The agility bonus and sentry assign doctrine makes it excellent at the cloaky sniper role in guerrilla warfare. It can also be a neut domi.

Off all the other BLOPS the widow has a similiar level of field usefulness. Redeemer stretches into a black ops hauler role, panther is plain bad with remote use as alpha boat.

If I want to put a BLOPS on field, it's going to be either a cloaky surprise sniper sin, a neut sin, or a gtfo provider widow.

I am prone to Sin a lot.

It's not a suggestion but it's also on the wrong forum anyway.

Ship and modules

My Space Potato!


CCP will act to buff the Sin's most useful fitting style:
[Sin, Useful Sin]

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

Caldari Navy Cloaking Device
Covert Jump Portal Generator I
Covert Cynosural Field Generator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Cargohold Optimization II
Large Cargohold Optimization II

Came expecting a thread about bad life decisions and questionable acts.

Thread has been moved to Ships & Modules.

I'll play along and speculate. This could go wide and far.

T2 battleships are something CCP is not satisfied with, at all. The roles are very undefined for marauders which are basically "better pve battleships". BLOPS are portal generators.

It is obvious something drastic will be done to both, probably along the lines of command ship changes but even more drastic.

Guess:
• Marauders get an ammo bay for prolonged campaigns. 10000m3 of cap boosters, ammo etc. They might possibly gain some PVP utility, a stronger EHP tank for example. Maybe warp strenght bonus?
• Blops take the route of widow as primarily ewar battleships. They retain the portaling ability and also gain an ultra strong racial ewar bonus. They gain the ability to use covops cloak. Think strong ECM (caldari), 100km webs (minmatar), 50km neuts (amarr), and
• Sin becomes a drone focused ultra long range sensor dampening battleship. The agility bonuses are swapped for damp optimal and strenght bonus. It gets used primarily as sentry sniping dampener in stealth bomber gangs.

I see no negative side effects of 100km webs and 50km neuts from a BS hull used in small gang warfare >_>

Also, those you mentioned are not racial EWAR. Minmitar is target painting and Amarr is tracking disruption.

Re-iterated guess on black ops:

All ships approx. 700dps on the standard gank config
All ships covert cloaky
All ships weak on tank

• minmatar target painter bonused
• caldari stronger ecm strenght
• amarr bonused neut range
• gallente bonused sensor damps

Alternatively:
• gallente long point range bonus (officer points :)
• minmatar long webs (officer webs :)