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Eve isn't dangerous enough.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#1 - 2013-08-22 19:14:55 UTC
Space is dangerous.

Radiation, meteorites moving at 100 miles a second. Black holes, Super novas, Planets and moons breaking up. Stations being hit and damaged or destroyed.

Eve lacks all these things, it's become a static, boring universe that the developers can't seem to expand. You're limited to warping to objects, no ability to free warp in a given direction. T1 Ships have been redesigned for specific roles, which pretty much ruins the ability to use any ship for a given job.

They depend on their clientele to provide depth, instead of actually providing any themselves. The problem with that is, what happens when everyone is sitting around waiting to see what the other guys are doing? What happens when the actual population is more alts than mains?

They seem inclined to invest lots of time in making things shinier without adding anything to the game. Unfortunately their hardware seems to have more issues handling all these changes, forcing them to lower the cap in Jita, and spreading fleet lag all over the universe.
They've spent the last year trying to fix mechanics that have been broken for years, with mixed results. Meanwhile, many other issues continue to plague the game. Broken grids have been around for years, and yet CCP seems incapable or unwilling to bother fixing such a huge bug.

So how about it CCP, want to try and invest a little time in actually "expanding" the game? Or are you determined to have us play shiny ships online, now with more tidi?

Rant over, let the flames begin....Lol

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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#2 - 2013-08-22 19:37:43 UTC
It's actually more realistic than you think.

We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.

We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.

EVE could undergo a transformation in a future expansion. Select 5 or 6 systems, have Concord move all assets to an arranged location and obliterate those systems making them new content. Create a Ground zero for an expansion. Emergent expansion anyone?

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
#3 - 2013-08-22 19:44:45 UTC
Ioci wrote:
It's actually more realistic than you think.

We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.

We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.

EVE could undergo a transformation in a future expansion. Select 5 or 6 systems, have Concord move all assets to an arranged location and obliterate those systems making them new content. Create a Ground zero for an expansion. Emergent expansion anyone?


Yeah because NASA would inform the public that these things, that no one cares about, have happened.

@OP

The problem the old bugs is deeper than you think, a lot of the original devs are gone and most of that code goes back to 2003. You try and figure out code from developers that have been gone for years, not left any comments and use a non standard format....1000's of lines...of jibberish. The time it takes CCP to figure out what does what, they would be quicker and cheaper re-writing it.
Praetor Meles
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#4 - 2013-08-22 19:46:52 UTC
Confirming: Eve should be more like real life.

[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#5 - 2013-08-22 19:52:31 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Space is dangerous.

Radiation, meteorites moving at 100 miles a second. Black holes, Super novas, Planets and moons breaking up. Stations being hit and damaged or destroyed.


Doesn't sound like space is dangerous to me. It sounds like the things in the space are the danger.

CCP, we need moar things!

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#6 - 2013-08-22 19:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
::Stands up in the back row::
And the stations are way too small compared to the size of the ships! How do all of these big ships docking fit in there? Where's the room for the factories and labs for manufacturing? And all that junk I store in my hangar? I'm not being sarcastic, that mismatched scale problem always bugs me.
::Sits back down::
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#7 - 2013-08-22 19:55:26 UTC
Day by day, it's slowly catering towards the casual players who want risk-free AFK game...

It's getting safer and safer...

...
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2013-08-22 20:10:58 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Black Holes aren't any more dangerous than any other body of the same mass. If the sun were replaced tomorrow by a 1 solar mass black hole tomorrow, nothing would happen (well, we'd all freeze to death, but apart from that...).

Planets and Moons don't just randomly break up. It, in fact, takes an absurd amount of energy to take apart a planet.

Super Novas are only dangerous if you're a spacefaring race who can't use a telescope (Don't go visiting Supernova candidates... duh).



Gamma Ray Bursts are, of course, terrifying. Imagine a Supernova where all the energy released was expressed as a Gamma Radiation Laser shooting out the (former) poles of the star. One of them which had an abnormally large visible light component was visible to the naked eye... from 7.5 Billion Light Years away. Mind you, most of the Energy released was in Gamma wavelengths, not visible wavelengths.
To put that in perspective, the farthest naked-eye-visible object on permanent display is the Triangulum Galaxy shining in from 2.9 Million Light years away.

The best part is that, since they're one off events and invisible from outside the beam, the first one we find inside the Milky Way is the end of life as we know it.



Anyway, my Kerbals are quite happy not having to dodge micrometeorites and such. My stations are generally too big and part heavy to do any dodging. Plus, Kerbals are terrible at EVAs, so patching that monopropellant tank before it explodes would be a nightmare.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Thur Barbek
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-08-22 20:11:57 UTC
Eve is based on submarine physics. Tiny particles of death can't exist in that environment. The fact that all ships have a shield and armor should cover the rest of your dangerous ideas.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-08-22 20:13:46 UTC
There are thousands of empty systems in low/null/WHspace. Get out of highsec.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#11 - 2013-08-22 20:14:19 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
What happens when the actual population is more alts than mains?


Happened quite some time ago.

I do agree with you, in a general sense, roundabout sort of way, and i like cheese and Battleships are fun Smile

Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#12 - 2013-08-22 20:17:24 UTC
Fly thru Rancer in badger loaded with shinies.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#13 - 2013-08-22 20:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ioci wrote:
It's actually more realistic than you think.

We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.


Our space stations and satellites get hit by debris constantly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Space_debris_impact_on_Space_Shuttle_window.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:STS-118_debris_entry.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Mir_on_12_June_1998edit1.jpg (Rightmost Solar Panel shows most obvious damage)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_satellite_collision

The ISS is literally armor plated to handle the small debris it's hit by constantly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_shielding
and has to play "dodge the bullet" with bullets moving over 10 km/s (The fastest rifle bullet only makes it to .4km/s) while the astronauts sit in the escape pods playing "hope HAL doesn't use the escape pod as a shield today" whenever something bigger decides to pop by:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7940431.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13949956

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We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.


Interplanetary space is pretty damn empty. Even the asteroid belt, which is one of the denser areas of interplanetary space, is about 4% the mass of the moon spread between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter (a really long damn way).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2013-08-22 20:35:47 UTC
Ioci wrote:
It's actually more realistic than you think.

We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.

We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.

EVE could undergo a transformation in a future expansion. Select 5 or 6 systems, have Concord move all assets to an arranged location and obliterate those systems making them new content. Create a Ground zero for an expansion. Emergent expansion anyone?



Is CONCORD really a Year Zero Fascistic entity ? Kinda ominous.Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
ChironV
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-08-22 20:37:44 UTC
To make this game any more dangerous CCP would have to send a hitman to visit your home and stab you in the chest the next time you space AFK in a Tengu with a billion or so in fitting.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#16 - 2013-08-22 21:03:02 UTC
Gibbo5771 wrote:
Ioci wrote:
It's actually more realistic than you think.

We have had a space station in orbit for what, 20 years? It has never once been hit by a meteor or even been hit hit by debris we are told orbits our planet.

We sent probes to Mars, they never got side swiped by a rock.

EVE could undergo a transformation in a future expansion. Select 5 or 6 systems, have Concord move all assets to an arranged location and obliterate those systems making them new content. Create a Ground zero for an expansion. Emergent expansion anyone?


Yeah because NASA would inform the public that these things, that no one cares about, have happened.

@OP

The problem the old bugs is deeper than you think, a lot of the original devs are gone and most of that code goes back to 2003. You try and figure out code from developers that have been gone for years, not left any comments and use a non standard format....1000's of lines...of jibberish. The time it takes CCP to figure out what does what, they would be quicker and cheaper re-writing it.


You make it seem like the game was written in some forgotten, 2000 year old glyph based language or something. C+ I'm guessing? a dozen developers could rewrite every line of code in a year and would have a comprehensive understanding of why things function the way they do and I'm certain there are plenty of developers in CCP that have a complete understanding of the EVE Online engine. I might not but it doesn't mean they don't.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Vladimir Gurney
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-08-22 21:10:13 UTC
I wanna see ships vent atmosphere along with crew members getting sucked out Big smile
Cauldron Asai
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-08-22 21:10:28 UTC
head to goon space and yell "i love test" till someone comes to discuss it with you.. you'll get some "Rads" for sure Bear
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-08-22 21:13:30 UTC
Yes. There should be a supernova each month, that destroys all assets within 10 jumps.
Stegas Tyrano
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-08-22 21:23:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Stegas Tyrano
Agreed. We need a new dynamic space weather system, it'll make the game more fun and annoy bots, two birds with one stoneSmile

One part could be to check how long a players been on the same grid. The longer they're there the more likely they are to get hit by a solar flare/ gamma ray burst/ comet.

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