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Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-11-10 15:52:51 UTC
Yeah, I agree with the sentiment that there is no correlation. I find that a heuristic approach to life and learning suits my unique personality best. It is startling how often seemingly totally unconnected subjects share analogous parts.

I think the low to medium class person is precisely the type person these topics should be discussed with. After all they are the not only the bedrock of our current "civilized" world, but the foundation and the supports. As to whether eve is the right forum to voice these thought... probably not. But if ppl respond, why not. I'm new to this forum. If I'm breaking some rule(s), I'll of course refrain from posting this type of discussion in the future.

Like I said I value the Eve communities thoughts on things. What the median Eve player lacks in finance they more than make up for in intellect.

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Lauren Hellfury
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#22 - 2011-11-10 16:04:40 UTC
Brent Newton wrote:
Yeah, I agree with the sentiment that there is no correlation. I find that a heuristic approach to life and learning suits my unique personality best. It is startling how often seemingly totally unconnected subjects share analogous parts.

I think the low to medium class person is precisely the type person these topics should be discussed with. After all they are the not only the bedrock of our current "civilized" world, but the foundation and the supports. As to whether eve is the right forum to voice these thought... probably not. But if ppl respond, why not. I'm new to this forum. If I'm breaking some rule(s), I'll of course refrain from posting this type of discussion in the future.

Like I said I value the Eve communities thoughts on things. What the median Eve player lacks in finance they more than make up for in intellect.



I think I should feel insulted by at least one part of this, but i'm not sure which. Sad

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Shar Tegral
#23 - 2011-11-10 16:41:32 UTC
Brent Newton wrote:
If I'm breaking some rule(s), I'll of course refrain from posting this type of discussion in the future.
You are not breaking any rules mate.

There are many analogous situations between Real Life and Eve but I think the simple truth behind it is that there are many idiots in Eve like there are many idiots in Real Life. In addition, we all do enough idiotic things on our own to fill in for any absentee idiots.

But discussing the correlations is not against any rules as long as you keep "politics" out of it.
(Politics can run you afoul of moderators.)
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#24 - 2011-11-10 17:00:53 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
It's noble that you try to address the current economic crisis and the erosion of the U.S.'s market confidence relative to the other markets, but I sincerely believe that EVE Online Market Discussion forum is not the best place to discuss such complicated issue. First of all, MMOs tend to have a large congruence of low income to medium income players and that introduces significant element of biases. Second, success in EVE market in no way, correlates to success in real world. The mechanisms behind EVE market's success is COMPLETELY INCOMPARABLE to how the actual markets function. You can't just simply relate CCP as the Fed and vice versa because their roles are completely different.

You did mention that you are currently unemployed. I suggest that instead of trying to find a solution to the world problems from EVE Online, get an MBA or PHD from a reputable educational institutions and try to make a difference from there.

EVE Online's Market Discussion forum is not a place to talk about the actual economy.


I disagree on most of your stances above. If MD is a place to discuss the market dynamics of New Eden, then sharing thoughts on the real world economy and discussing how certain elements of that system may or may not relate to the admittedly grossly simplified system we have in our game can have real value. Second, the WORLD tends to have a large congruence of low income to medium income participants; if anything, the population of Eve Online is actually skewed in the opposite direction of your suggestion. Also, I would be willing to wager that there is a strong correlation between "success" in both systems, though the fact that in Eve we are all born immortal elites on a perfectly even footing with each other in terms of opportunities and freedoms does make things far easier on people in the game.

Your suggestion that someone who is unemployed should go get an MBA or PhD rather than discuss these topics is revealing of your own lack of understanding of that last bit. Unlike in Eve Online, not everyone has such opportunities.

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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#25 - 2011-11-12 17:15:42 UTC
For me the funny part was the implication that you should get an advanced economics degree in order to "make a difference". The majority of economists are professional propagandists. They make a difference for the people who sign their paychecks. That's rather irrelevant to shooting the breeze about economic similarities between Eve and the real world.
Adunh Slavy
#26 - 2011-11-12 18:00:47 UTC
"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance. "

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Callduron
Dreddit
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#27 - 2011-11-12 21:04:11 UTC
Simon Ludgate's Gamasutra article on Faucets might be a good place to start vis-a-vis the differences between real world economies and MMO economies. There are quite a lot of crucial differences.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6437/the_fwords_of_mmos_faucets.php?print=1

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