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[Odyssey 1.1] Skill group name changes

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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#581 - 2013-08-19 23:44:51 UTC
Spaceship piloting - no. It's really childish, and bad English.
Spaceship Command - yes
Starship Command - yes

Weapons Upgrades and Advanced Weapons Upgrades is a tricky one. It's not engineering, it's weaponry. But it affects both missiles and guns. Unfortunately there are no other "weaponry" skills you can lump into a new category to make that work in a satisfactory way. Probably best left where it is.

In general, my user experience is that the categorisation of skills has never been an issue that has caused me any confusion or complication within the game. With the greatest respect, in my view it's not a good use of developer time to tinker with it.

Fixing certificates in a way I mentioned in this post probably is:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3507856#post3507856

Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
Xola Zuni
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#582 - 2013-08-20 10:28:27 UTC
Please let us keep "Armor Honeycombing". Coolest skill name (directly followed by "Spaceship Command").Cool
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#583 - 2013-08-20 16:59:11 UTC
Well I've discovered why they were so keen on starship piloting!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=270956&find=unread

Eve Valkyrie is coming.

The feedback about this has been really good, but I'm a bit worried as to how it will integrate with the rest of the eve universe and have other questions such as 'will there be a PC client' or is this yet another 'console only' affair.

Can we have an official dev response on this please.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Garth Pollard
Automelian Syndicate
#584 - 2013-08-20 20:42:11 UTC
> game based entirely around use of the Occulus Rift
> wants to know if it's console-exclusive


Also in the announcement interview they said that it won't tie /directly/ into EVE, not like DUST.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#585 - 2013-08-21 09:31:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Awaiting for following changes:

"Gunnery" into "Gun damaging"
"Rapid fire" into "Gun shooting"
"Motion prediction" into "Gun hitting"

Will be well in line with name changes made by CCP last year. And hey, less confusing for newbros!1

P. S. Okay, some were good.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Kenny Drein
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#586 - 2013-08-22 01:10:46 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

Rigging: has all the skills related to rigs that previously were in the “Mechanics” skill group.

  • Contains the Armor Rigging, Astronautics Rigging, Drone Rigging, Electronic Superiority Rigging, Energy Weapon Rigging, Gallente Defensive Systems, Hybrid Weapon Rigging, Jury Rigging, Launcher Rigging, Projectile Weapon Rigging and Shield Rigging skills.


    • Wait what? I do hope this is a typo, otherwise I'd have to call you people racists, preferring Gallente over the others ;)
    Smelly PirateWhore
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #587 - 2013-08-22 11:23:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Smelly PirateWhore
    "If there's one thing that's always bothered me about EVE online, it's the names of the skills"


    ~ No one ever
    Mournful Conciousness
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #588 - 2013-08-22 15:43:49 UTC
    I felt so enraged by some of these name changes that I had to repeat this here (also posted as a side-comment in the command ships thread):

    I spend hours of my life living in the scientific wonderland of Eve and now they're giving all my stuff play-school names?

    Spaceship Piloting? A pilot is a noun. It's a ship or light for providing guidance. It's not a verb. The verb is "command", "control", "guide", "operate", even "fly". It should be "starship command" or "spaceship (at a push) command".

    "Capacitor Transferer"? Do me a favour and f*ck right off! "Energy Transfer Array" is the correct name.

    Maybe we'd like to rename the projectile weapons to "Bullet Transferrers", or the Laser weapons to "Light shiners", or maybe tractor beams could be renamed "Wreck puller thingies". Yes, let's rename missile launchers to "things what chuck out other things that go BANG!".

    Someone in CCP needs to take a long, hard shamefaced look in the mirror, and then pick up a book and educate themselves.

    Out-f*cking-rageous!

    Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
    Little Dragon Khamez
    Guardians of the Underworld
    #589 - 2013-08-22 16:18:43 UTC
    Mournful Conciousness wrote:
    I felt so enraged by some of these name changes that I had to repeat this here (also posted as a side-comment in the command ships thread):

    I spend hours of my life living in the scientific wonderland of Eve and now they're giving all my stuff play-school names?

    Spaceship Piloting? A pilot is a noun. It's a ship or light for providing guidance. It's not a verb. The verb is "command", "control", "guide", "operate", even "fly". It should be "starship command" or "spaceship (at a push) command".

    "Capacitor Transferer"? Do me a favour and f*ck right off! "Energy Transfer Array" is the correct name.

    Maybe we'd like to rename the projectile weapons to "Bullet Transferrers", or the Laser weapons to "Light shiners", or maybe tractor beams could be renamed "Wreck puller thingies". Yes, let's rename missile launchers to "things what chuck out other things that go BANG!".

    Someone in CCP needs to take a long, hard shamefaced look in the mirror, and then pick up a book and educate themselves.

    Out-f*cking-rageous!



    +10

    Dude if I could click the like button more than once I would. Cold -Gas, Arc Jet Thrusters forever... No to more dumbing down!

    Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
    Stjaerna Ramundson
    #590 - 2013-08-22 21:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Stjaerna Ramundson
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:


    [...]


      [...]
    • Energy Management, Energy Emission Systems and Energy Systems Operation: have been renamed "Capacitor Management", "Capacitor Emission Systems" and "Capacitor Systems Operation".


    [...]



    Don't forget to rename the Implants too, please. :)
    (So they are easer found, cause of the name)
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    Hell Bitch
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #591 - 2013-08-23 08:47:33 UTC
    Mournful Conciousness wrote:
    I felt so enraged by some of these name changes that I had to repeat this here (also posted as a side-comment in the command ships thread):

    I spend hours of my life living in the scientific wonderland of Eve and now they're giving all my stuff play-school names?

    Spaceship Piloting? A pilot is a noun. It's a ship or light for providing guidance. It's not a verb. The verb is "command", "control", "guide", "operate", even "fly". It should be "starship command" or "spaceship (at a push) command".

    "Capacitor Transferer"? Do me a favour and f*ck right off! "Energy Transfer Array" is the correct name.

    Maybe we'd like to rename the projectile weapons to "Bullet Transferrers", or the Laser weapons to "Light shiners", or maybe tractor beams could be renamed "Wreck puller thingies". Yes, let's rename missile launchers to "things what chuck out other things that go BANG!".

    Someone in CCP needs to take a long, hard shamefaced look in the mirror, and then pick up a book and educate themselves.

    Out-f*cking-rageous!



    Whilst skill names have never bothered me before I must agree with Mournful here, as an electronics engineer it really winds me the **** up to see capacitor transfer, wtf, does that invlove decoupling my own ships capacitor and then throwing it out the hold of my ship so a buddy can haul it in and plug it into his ship?

    HELL NO - when i give someone a jump start I transfer electric energy from my cars battery, not transfer capacitors

    Can we re-name informorph psychology to clone transfer, mining to rock transfer and contracting to stuff transfer please?
    DetKhord Saisio
    Seniors Clan
    #592 - 2013-08-24 06:05:48 UTC
    Ben Fenix wrote:
    Solhild wrote:
    I like the thinking here, not happy with the word 'densify'. Not sure of an alternative solution yet.


    Yeah me neither. That's due to the fact that English isn't my mother tongue but it was the closest I could come up with. Lol

    Would Explosion Radius Density work?
    DetKhord Saisio
    Seniors Clan
    #593 - 2013-08-24 06:21:34 UTC
    Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
    Mournful Conciousness wrote:
    I felt so enraged by some of these name changes that I had to repeat this here (also posted as a side-comment in the command ships thread):

    I spend hours of my life living in the scientific wonderland of Eve and now they're giving all my stuff play-school names?

    Spaceship Piloting? A pilot is a noun. It's a ship or light for providing guidance. It's not a verb. The verb is "command", "control", "guide", "operate", even "fly". It should be "starship command" or "spaceship (at a push) command".

    "Capacitor Transferer"? Do me a favour and f*ck right off! "Energy Transfer Array" is the correct name.

    Maybe we'd like to rename the projectile weapons to "Bullet Transferrers", or the Laser weapons to "Light shiners", or maybe tractor beams could be renamed "Wreck puller thingies". Yes, let's rename missile launchers to "things what chuck out other things that go BANG!".

    Someone in CCP needs to take a long, hard shamefaced look in the mirror, and then pick up a book and educate themselves.

    Out-f*cking-rageous!



    +10

    Dude if I could click the like button more than once I would. Cold -Gas, Arc Jet Thrusters forever... No to more dumbing down!

    I think everyone may want to consider CCP is based in Iceland, and these guys are doing fairly well with English under the circumstances. Though it would be nice to inject a bit more common sense into a producer's mind allow them to just keep these name changes simple, the voice of reason may be trumped by other things. Or maybe they just need moar Quafe (pronounced cawfee? lol).
    Azrael Dinn
    Imperial Mechanics
    #594 - 2013-08-25 10:14:10 UTC
    And using CCP resourses to organize skills is needed because there are other parts of the game aren't broken anymore?

    All this seems abit silly but ok.

    After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
    Thexx Littlechurch
    Black Whole Industries
    #595 - 2013-08-26 22:09:00 UTC
    Barzhad wrote:
    Thexx Littlechurch wrote:
    Change the groupings. Move Thermodynamics and Weapon Upgrades to Engineering etc. Thats a good idea.

    DO NOT chage the names of the skills! Thats a bad idea. Stop dumbing this game down. We play this game because its the only complicated MMO left out there. It's really starting to worry me CCP.

    Please?

    FFS anyone who would come to EVE and stay because the skills are easy to remember is just going to quit when they get owned/scammed repeatedly anyway. These are the people that try the game and ragequit because its "too hard" or my favorite "it's boring". When they say "it's boring" that's poseur-gamer speak for "I don't understand".

    MAKE OUR GAME HARDER NOT EASIER.

    Maybe I should just go back to tabletop gaming.... Straight

    That's one stupid argument.
    so people wouldn't have to google the recommended list of skills is gonna make them sob when they make mistakes? sure..    all the changes looks perfectly good to me. finally Science won't be the dumping ground for every new uncategorized skill.



    No.

    That's one stupid arguement. At least it would be if it was coherent.
    Sylvous
    Bigger than Jesus
    #596 - 2013-08-28 21:48:56 UTC
    Couldn't engineering and electronics keep their current skill names?
    Frenjo Borkstar
    Doomheim
    #597 - 2013-08-29 13:58:53 UTC
    As hundreds of people have said, it doesn't need fixing, it isn't broken. CCP should really start working on aspects of the game which are broken, and not trivial things such as skill names. This may be one of the updates that will actually stop me playing Eve.

    Possible CCP Responses:

    "It's just because people are stuck to an old and outdated interface." - No, it's not an old and outdated interface, it's just people don't want it changed.

    "The playerbase is stuck to it as it hasn't been changed in a while, if ever." - No, we're not stuck to it, it's just that we're happy with what we've got and we don't want it changed. Simple.

    (Those are all that I could think of.)

    +1 if you don't want anything changed.

    Viriel,

    Borkstar Laboratories,

    The Borkstar Initiative.
    Elizabeth Aideron
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #598 - 2013-08-29 21:46:37 UTC
    Mournful Conciousness wrote:
    I felt so enraged by some of these name changes that I had to repeat this here (also posted as a side-comment in the command ships thread):

    I spend hours of my life living in the scientific wonderland of Eve and now they're giving all my stuff play-school names?

    Spaceship Piloting? A pilot is a noun. It's a ship or light for providing guidance. It's not a verb. The verb is "command", "control", "guide", "operate", even "fly". It should be "starship command" or "spaceship (at a push) command".

    "Capacitor Transferer"? Do me a favour and f*ck right off! "Energy Transfer Array" is the correct name.

    Maybe we'd like to rename the projectile weapons to "Bullet Transferrers", or the Laser weapons to "Light shiners", or maybe tractor beams could be renamed "Wreck puller thingies". Yes, let's rename missile launchers to "things what chuck out other things that go BANG!".

    Someone in CCP needs to take a long, hard shamefaced look in the mirror, and then pick up a book and educate themselves.

    Out-f*cking-rageous!



    A scientific wonderland of spaceships with max velocities.
    Mournful Conciousness
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #599 - 2013-08-29 21:57:11 UTC
    ... and bouncy hulls, magically strong armour, planets and moons that don't orbit, sentry drones that cannot drift away or suffer recoil (or run out of ammo)...

    I know, I know Big smile

    Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
    Kithran
    #600 - 2013-08-30 19:11:32 UTC
    Something not answered in the patch notes - where will the following skills appear post the moving around and renaming:

    Mobile Factory Operation
    Mobile Refinery Operation

    I presume the first should be under Production and the second under Resource Processing.

    Kithran