EVE General Discussion

You heard it here first folks! It's risk-free to rat in an officer fit carrier, because you have a 100% chance to kill the rats.



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If 4 gankers can bring an extra 11(!) pilots and 150 million isk of hardware where 8 mil would do the job, I don't see why a 30+ man mining operation can't spend 450 thousand isk to put three alts in these. I'm sure at least a few of them have pew pew accounts with market/cyno/hauler alts to fit the bill. At the immense extra cost of 1 mil each, they can even fit a cloak and prop mod.


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No. Concord will not blow you up resulting in a 1 or a 0.

Concord will turn your Catalyst into a Catalyst wreck containing anywhere from nothing, to half the value of a meta cat, up to 90% of a t2 cat if everything drops. You RISK the whole ship, but you will only LOSE ~75% of it if meta and ~55% if T2 fit on average. If the gank is executed properly, the loot fairy doesn't give you the middle finger, looter gets it all, gets out, and you get your pod out.

A 70 mil SP pilot is not risking a 2 mil meta cat in a gank. He's risking the ~500k expected loot drop from his own wreck and the 9 mil ISK it will cost him to upgrade the clone should he get podded.

Furthermore, you risk that should the 9 mil in mods actually drop from the cat it might be looted by the victim's friends. The T2 cat might drop better loot than the barge itself.

Even if you're a social reject with no alt account you can go to a quiet system. Bring the gank character in, log off. Bring the scanner, find a lone target in a belt, log off. Gank it, initiate pod warp to safe, close client, log scanner in, loot. You should be done and out before he can dock and reship to loot himself. Your pod may or may not get probed out and popped before you get it to safety. But the chance of you losing everything on your gank ship when you F1 is far from 100%.

P never really equals 1. It probably drifts around the 0.75 mark. With some hilarious welps that can turn an expected 5-6mil T2 cat loss into a couple guys needing to update clones and the "victim" coming out 20+ mil ahead in bonus loot. Bonus points if they had 5% small hybrid implants.


Every time you undock, you consent to people violencing your boat. This applies to the gankers every bit as much as it does to the miners. I've seen people sit on gate/station/probed safe in an interceptor with multiple points, catching outlaw cats before they even get so far as the warp-to-miner part. Faction police do the rest. Bonus tears if the rest of the cats still engage and welp on a barge with insufficient dps.

You are just dead wrong there. See above.

It is your choice to do the ganking. That does not make it a risk. It is a result.

Sorry, fail again.

Why can't they attack back? Most mining vessels are equipped with a drone bay, which is not restricted to mining drones. A flight of combat drones will aggress suicide gankers as soon as they open fire, you'll still die, but you get to shoot at them.

There's also the fact that most suicide gankers are shoot on sight due to their sec status, if you get a suicide ganker that has a low enough sec status, you can shoot at them first, without Concord instagibbing you.

What you actually meant was that most miners choose not to attack suicide gankers, even though they can.


Not fitting a reasonable tank, not being at the keyboard, not packing combat drones, all of which are down to choices, often resulting in your ship exploding, it's still a risk though, one which can be mitigated by making the right choices

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We have also taken out several bonus Tengu and many Orca.

So, being criminally flagged in High Sec for 30 days by multiple entities is not risky.

Got it.

Maybe you need War Dec to understand how risky that proposition indeed is.

Or maybe hire some Mercs so you can experience 'risk free' High Sec mining for a week.

Thus my merc statement, most indeed.

ed: he must think some of us don't have billions to carry on with it for 'quite a while' actually.

It is not a risk. It is a result of your actions. You don't want the flag, don't do the ganking. It is your decision.

Yea, go wardec some more noobs, miners.

You are the carebears that scan down targets with alts, calculate their defenses, and then attack, but only if no one else is around that can attack back.

The result of a gankers actions and choices increases their risk of explosion at anothers hands, so there is a risk involved. Being an easy target is the result of a miners choices, and the risk of getting ganked while mining can be mitigated by changing those choices.


Did you somehow miss the part where Krixtal states that he is in fact a miner?

Miners can fight back, and do so successfully.

If you don't want the risk of being asploded in a belt, then don't mine.

Personally, I'd quit the game as then mining would indeed be most boring. Intolerable in fact.

I've only really had reason to gank AFK botting miners twice. I got tired of the 23 hours a day non-stop warping back and forth making my overview jump like mad. It's irritating.

I calculated nothing and scanned down nothing.

I just hopped in a Naga and went to work.

They are wonderful ships.

Also, it matters not that nobody is around after the gank to 'fight back'. There is nothing left by CONCORD but a pod........and they will definitely be CONCORDed themselves if they fire upon it. It's a bit hard to do.