Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Requesting a few thousand grid for the armour ones so they can fit LAARs.

single LAAR will just about fit on an eos if you use an ACR and a reactor control. not much else...

You already have extra large shield extenders, and they don't even have the lol sig penalty.

Increasing the tank of a fleet booster in proportion to the fleet size is just not sensible.

Look, the fact is that fleet boosters are, for fleets up to a certain size, legitimate strategic targets - just like logistics and EWAR.

But once my fleet is big enough that I can alpha anything, Whether your fleet does or doesn't have a fleet booster is actually irrelevant. I'll alpha your ships anyway, and I'll leave your fleet booster until last. Since to me, he's the least threatening.

If my fleet is that size, I'll also ignore your logistics and your ewar. I'll just kill your damage dealers as fast as I can, after I've headshotted your FC and his 2ic. They are by far the most dangerous things on the field, because they are human minds that contain nothing other than the fervent desire to whelp my fleet.

So it turns out that tactics must change as the scale of any encounter changes. This is OK. It's just life.

Ninjas are great in small skirmishes. In the battle of the Somme, they're just bodies.

And thats "the Problem" in long term everything will just got killed, because EHP (and other Ship values) are finite but the fleet size will be infinite.

At this point there is no tactics anymore just survival of the largest/strongest, but thats just not Eve, if would be survival of the fittest.

Sure, i admit, this may be far away from now but it something it should be addressed.

To defeat a larger force, one must simply study history. Look at the tactics of guerrillas, insurgents, spies, commandos.

Eve has its equivalents.

Wings of stealth bombers are immune to the size of the opposing fleet. In fact, the bigger the fleet the more effective and cost-effective they are. They are the tactical nukes of Eve.

Having 2000 ships on grid on both sides is equivalent to the trench warfare tactics on the first world war - expensive.

The recent Fountain war was a victory for a more organised alliance, not necessarily a stronger military superpower. It paid off for Mittani because he had his sh*t together while TEST was in internal disarray.

Fleets may become larger, but there's even a point where that no longer scales. 4 x 2000-man fleets can conquer 4 times the territory of a 1x8000 man fleet. Why would you field such a large fleet? It's inefficient.

If you enemy did, wouldn't you be better off conquering his territory at 4 times the rate he was conquering yours? Meeting him head on would simply be leaving your alliance's fate to the roll of a dice - that's not sensible.

as the technological, political and military conditions change, so must our tactics.

This is the Art of War.

There's a lot wrong in this post IMO
Heavy drones are silly fragile and easy to kill, you can kill lights with medium blasters, so if you have a set of ec-900 then any heavy you lose is automatic reduction in your already limited dps
Yes heavies can travel but are still stupid slow, I outrun my own heavies with a mwd, so the 20 (or 30) seconds for them to travel and to do what, apply limited dps because the target is not webbed and the drones will lag behind, the rail Astarte can switch from target to target instantly, all the while doing more dps, yes you 4 unbonused rails will have better tracking than the 11 effective rails of te Astarte

And the devs have specifically stated they want these ships to be able to be full fledged combat ships if you want them to be, not solely links

Even with another slot the eos is worse than the Astarte, I've flown the eos on sisi and get nothing but frustration wishing I was in an Astarte... 10 heavies and that is all is stupid vulnerable to being picked off, if I face an eos in a small gang fight of 5 or 10 I will go after the drones that he cannot afford to lose

The eos needa work to be done on it
I like the uniqueness of making this a heavy drone boat but I wish the tracking included sentries, which are so much more viable on this ship ATM....
It doesn't have enough dronebay
It needs it equal to the Ishtar domi etc

Yes prices are going up but that's because there arnt as many out there and it takes a long time to build, and anything buffed will get an increased price
The reason why it's going up so high is because of the initial barrier of trying to invent blueprints and actually make them
That and te time to make them is what makes it such a huge price jump
Economicz sir

One, why should it have a damage bonus instead of a ROF bonus? Medium arty don't need more alpha.

Two, I decided to poke around at various ships and discovered a couple of interesting things, one you are correct about cap recharge, the bonuses end up with the same recharge rate, however there's actually very little cap recharge difference between Amarr ships and other ships, they make up for it with laser cap use bonuses and having larger overall capacitor which allows them to be more resistant to neuts and fire longer before running out.



I stand corrected on the cap mechanics, though I stand by the idea that the Amarr ships don't need more cap recharge when they have more total cap.

I agree with the tracking bonus being a tad superfluous but I'm also not sure what I'd put in its place and I don't think the EOS, even with the tracking bonus, is in a terrible spot. A Sentry bonus would make it a tiny and probably better Dominix while simultaneously preventing it from making use of the extra mobility that a CS gets over a Domi, a second drone damage/HP bonus would probably be OP.

Maybe something like a drone control range bonus or a ship agility bonus?

I also don't think that direct comparisons between the Domi and the Eos are really fair or useful. You're going to bring the Eos for different reasons than the Dominix and the Eos will still have better local tank potential as well as better remote rep effectiveness than the Domi because of its resists as well as the potential to speed tank.

Yes, after the Alliance Tourney the Domi is fleet flavor of the month now, but turning the Eos into the new flavor of the month is a bad idea.



I hadn't really looked to hard at the new Ishtar and I'm a little surprised at those bonuses, at the same time though that makes me thing even more that we don't need another Sentry bonused drone boat, though it is a decent argument for bumping the drone-bay since there's precedent there.

I think I'd really rather see it get a bonus that isn't shared with either the Domi or the Ishtar so it can really perform as its own ship instead of a mid-point between the two were it's always going to not have the speed-tank of the Ishtar or the raw tanking power and fittings of the Domi.

The eos is as much a skirmishing ship as the absolution is an EWAR platform.

Eldrith's suggestion for the EOS of dropping turret tracking bonus for a drone hp bonus is pretty ******* good.