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Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#121 - 2013-08-21 14:52:33 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Andrea Okazon wrote:
as an rp bear, I hope "Valkyries" are a new kind of implant/post-human, as Dusters are to ground and Capsuleers to bigger ships.



Well, the DUST implant is just the ability to clone without needing a contained environment like the capsule. So, there's nothing stopping a fighter pilot from using the exact same implant. The necessary difference is in skillset rather than cybernetics.


I just want to have "Valkyries" enter the vocabulary. :D
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#122 - 2013-08-21 14:54:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Stitcher wrote:
Quote:
t's quite the little emo drama, amusing if a little repetitive.


...and bleeding frustrating. I've been playing EVE for coming on eight years now, I love it, I'm emotionally invested in it...

My response to projects like DUST and Valkyrie is "Great!". I don't understand how EVE fans can be anything but enthusiastic about more EVE. New ways to get into the setting, new ways to interact with other players, new angles on the universe. When CCP turn their attention to expanding the setting in the hopes of pulling more people in, it makes me more confident about the future of EVE, not less. I don't see how somebody can bemoan and insult these projects and still call themselves fans of the game.

CCP are not stupid. Daring, yes, but they aren't idiots. They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't have good reason to believe it would turn out profitably and well in the long run.

Maybe Valkyrie and DUST don't turn out to be the huge blockbuster hits of 2013/14. Who cares? EVE wasn't the blockbuster MMO of 2003. But here we are, ten years on, still producing legends and awed news articles, still being awesome, still swaggering around needing a fleet of freighters to carry our enormous tungsten balls. This despite EVE originally being a buggy, badly optimised, barely-playable piece of crap all but devoid of content when it was released.

Maybe DUST isn't the AAA shooter of the year. But I'll make you a bet - I bet DUST will still be around at Fanfest 2023. If Valkyrie is TQ-based, I bet it will be there too. And I bet by then they'll both have carved their own legendary niche and produce BBC news articles, alongside their parent game.

If you don't believe in that and want to make it happen, why are you even playing this game?


I read this, and some of my bitterness actually melted away. Only some mind. Reading this reminded me of how I used to post probably about a year ago. I've obviously gotten quite bitter since. I think the problem I am having is that I arrived during Apocrypha when everything was amazing, and played through with uninterrupted sub and essentially the prime of my Eve playing life was spent through a period where things were improving and expanding fast. That's not the case anymore, the impact the last three expansions have had on me don't really compare. I've become bitter because I enjoyed the previous expansions too damn much and want more of the same.

Hopefully we'll see another period as good as that at some point.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2013-08-21 14:55:05 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Sura Sadiva wrote:
What, another shooter??

A stupid FPS (4 years of development, based on a third party engine and still not finished, but never mind...) already faild before the release.
A spaceship shooter (done by CCP employees in their free time, just for fun, lol)
What else from the 10 years epic fanfest? Ah yes, merchandaising, a TV series based on EVE, maybe comics books.

When will we see the CCP focus back on EVE?

Damn: you were gifted and created a great, unique MMORPG with no competitors, stay and invest on it. How many fails one needs to collect?





All that bitterness must have caused your eyes and ears to close up and make you miss CCP Seagull's Keynote.


You of all people Malc, know that what CCP says will happen at Fanfest, and what actually happens, are very different. Even then, I found myself generally uninspired by Seagull's keynote. I'm not really putting myself in the same boat as all these "Eve is dying" types, but I have been getting pretty bored the last few expansions, and judging by what CCP are 'saying' I will continue to stay bored with Eve for the foreseeable future.

Maybe I will have to re-watch her keynote, maybe I am just remembering it through mud-stain-tinted glasses, because I don't remember being excited.


Well, CCP Seagulls' speech was moving because of her high stress while delivering it, but all in all, the speech summarized about adding a different kind of space and the possibility to access it through player-built gates. Now, adding more space to a game whose issues are related to space usage rather than space availability doesn't makes much sense to me.

"Build gates, go there, do pew pew" totally sounds like more lowsec/nullsec crap. Now tell me how is that of use to the blooming population of hiseccers. Roll



Well, Everquest Next is based on building your own towns and capitals....

And with Eve being a sandbox, accessing new space through PLAYER made gates would maybe link to.... PLAYER made Empire maybe? Just think of all the industry and mining that would be needed for that! Let alone the battles and contests for that real estate!

Or use a skewed view and think of the current real estate and how that will change, requiring more of... everything, in our current highsec!

Unless you're talking about mission running. In that case, who cares.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-08-21 14:57:58 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
I read this, and some of my bitterness actually melted away. Only some mind. Reading this reminded me of how I used to post probably about a year ago. I've obviously gotten quite bitter since. I think the problem I am having is that I arrived during Apocrypha when everything was amazing, and played through with uninterrupted sub and essentially the prime of my Eve playing life was spent through a period where things were improving and expanding fast. That's not the case anymore, the impact the last three expansions have had on me don't really compare. I've become bitter because I enjoyed the previous expansions too damn much and want more of the same.

Hopefully we'll see another period as good as that at some point.



As I said - I've been playing since before Red Moon Rising. If you've become bitter within the last year and I haven't, might I suggest that possibly the reason for that lies elsewhere than in what CCP have been doing?

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#125 - 2013-08-21 15:18:32 UTC
Randey Miromme wrote:
EVE is not and and never should be a twitch game. Twitch games bore me to tears. I can understand CCP wanting to grab more market share by expanding their "other" games but I just don't see it being something I would share my time with.

It is all eye candy, I am not impressed.

So don't buy it.
No one is forcing you. It runs on a different engine, so just as with Dust, it will *have* to be a seperate game.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#126 - 2013-08-21 16:07:22 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Randey Miromme wrote:
EVE is not and and never should be a twitch game. Twitch games bore me to tears. I can understand CCP wanting to grab more market share by expanding their "other" games but I just don't see it being something I would share my time with.

It is all eye candy, I am not impressed.

So don't buy it.
No one is forcing you. It runs on a different engine, so just as with Dust, it will *have* to be a seperate game.

Also, I don't remember anyone suggesting turning EVE into a twitch based game.

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Reptail
#127 - 2013-08-21 16:34:14 UTC

All who say eve is a product of ccp and they can do everrything they want with us you are just all sheeps,
If I see something wrong I stand up agaist it, starting from how forums have became to nonexistents expasnions,
I guess all the ones that had the guts to stand against this left after they felt like I feel from long time now,
not listened, it freaks me out to see how many "sheeps" there are now that do whatever they boss say...

Ground Shiwer

Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#128 - 2013-08-21 16:40:12 UTC
Reptail wrote:

All who say eve is a product of ccp and they can do everrything they want with us you are just all sheeps,
If I see something wrong I stand up agaist it, starting from how forums have became to nonexistents expasnions,
I guess all the ones that had the guts to stand against this left after they felt like I feel from long time now,
not listened, it freaks me out to see how many "sheeps" there are now that do whatever they boss say...


Truly, you are the new Tianenmen Tank Guy.

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#129 - 2013-08-21 16:41:04 UTC
Reptail wrote:

All who say eve is a product of ccp and they can do everrything they want with us you are just all sheeps,
If I see something wrong I stand up agaist it, starting from how forums have became to nonexistents expasnions,
I guess all the ones that had the guts to stand against this left after they felt like I feel from long time now,
not listened, it freaks me out to see how many "sheeps" there are now that do whatever they boss say...

Whatever you say, don Quixote.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#130 - 2013-08-21 16:46:26 UTC
Reptail wrote:
All who say eve is a product of ccp and they can do everrything they want with us you are just all sheeps,
Good news: no-one is saying that.

Also, was that some kind of double dactylic pentameter, or are you just confused about the different roles of periods and commas?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#131 - 2013-08-21 17:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Reptail wrote:

All who say eve is a product of ccp and they can do everrything they want with us you are just all sheeps,
If I see something wrong I stand up agaist it, starting from how forums have became to nonexistents expasnions,
I guess all the ones that had the guts to stand against this left after they felt like I feel from long time now,
not listened, it freaks me out to see how many "sheeps" there are now that do whatever they boss say...

What we are saying is that the recent expansions have been pretty good, as a whole we are pretty happy with the development of EVE, and we understand that CCP is running a business... not a "do as Reptail commands" service. Blink

If you personally don't like the game and how it is being developed, vote with your wallet. Otherwise be prepared for people to point out where your "opinion" falls short of reality.

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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#132 - 2013-08-21 17:48:35 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
ut adding a different kind of space and the possibility to access it through player-built gates.



Last time they talked about new space, new opportunities, new frontier was about Odissey; and what we got is exploration destroyed and replaced with a Pac-Man minigame.

Sevena Black
The Black Redemption
#133 - 2013-08-21 17:56:33 UTC
I would love to launch a bunch of guys from a Nyx (or other carrier). How awesome would that be?

If you dont have guys, your fighter(bomber) use AI control.

Might get too complicated tho. If you can mannually fly a fighter, why not a frig etc
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#134 - 2013-08-21 18:22:24 UTC
Sevena Black wrote:
I would love to launch a bunch of guys from a Nyx (or other carrier). How awesome would that be?

If you dont have guys, your fighter(bomber) use AI control.

Might get too complicated tho. If you can mannually fly a fighter, why not a frig etc


I would settle for having VR interface for the classic point-and-click, although in the short term that's not practical (reading any text was impossible in the dev version of Rift, and I imagine that might still be broadly true for the release).
Gel Musana
LOL a Sticky Situation
#135 - 2013-08-21 18:55:56 UTC
Hendelse wrote:
bloodknight2 wrote:
They will move all their staff from Eve to valkyrie. Eve IS dying =(



You must not know much about game development to make such a statement.

Really?




He's got a point, the last expansions were close to no value and had a lot of nerfs with the excuse of rebalancing. Any rebalance or new feature becomes an excuse to further push people to buy plex. People first get frustrated then drop EVE waiting for some major thing to spice it up again. However it looks nothing happens. I think there will be other games that will challenge EVE and that might even be better over time. Or perhaps there is a plan to kick out all EVE veterans... in the mean time, enjoy.

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Gel Musana
LOL a Sticky Situation
#136 - 2013-08-21 19:00:38 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Reptail wrote:

All who say eve is a product of ccp and they can do everrything they want with us you are just all sheeps,
If I see something wrong I stand up agaist it, starting from how forums have became to nonexistents expasnions,
I guess all the ones that had the guts to stand against this left after they felt like I feel from long time now,
not listened, it freaks me out to see how many "sheeps" there are now that do whatever they boss say...

What we are saying is that the recent expansions have been pretty good, as a whole we are pretty happy with the development of EVE, and we understand that CCP is running a business... not a "do as Reptail commands" service. Blink

If you personally don't like the game and how it is being developed, vote with your wallet. Otherwise be prepared for people to point out where your "opinion" falls short of reality.


Correction: expansions have been pretty poor. And inviting people to leave is not the answer.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#137 - 2013-08-21 19:20:32 UTC
The Spod wrote:
If dust514 is any indicator, Valkyrie will be great in beta. Play it while it lasts, because the release build will scrap everything that works for half of a game.

That's not a fair comparison. DUST fails b/c it's got a small budget and the labor is cheap. I think it's being produced in some kind of sweatshop, personally. There are some major problems in vision and execution, and no one's in a hurry to fix them. I am of the opinion it's put into a 'reduced development' mode, kind of like what they are doing with WoD by giving it a skeleton crew to move it forward just enough to keep it from disappearing altogether.

Valkyrie has some of CCPs best talent going for it, and it's being produced at a far more legitimate shop. The vision and (don't flame me) track record of the devs heading this up is very strong. These are the visionaries from CCP, and I think they dill deliver a hell of a game. The passion they have for the project is clear to me... when these factors combine I really think CCP is going to knock our socks off with this. The technology is on the cutting edge, and after DUST the expectations are SO low, I just can't see how it could go wrong. It's the most optimistic I've been about a CCP project... well... ever.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#138 - 2013-08-21 19:49:25 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Sura Sadiva wrote:
What, another shooter??

A stupid FPS (4 years of development, based on a third party engine and still not finished, but never mind...) already faild before the release.
A spaceship shooter (done by CCP employees in their free time, just for fun, lol)
What else from the 10 years epic fanfest? Ah yes, merchandaising, a TV series based on EVE, maybe comics books.

When will we see the CCP focus back on EVE?

Damn: you were gifted and created a great, unique MMORPG with no competitors, stay and invest on it. How many fails one needs to collect?





All that bitterness must have caused your eyes and ears to close up and make you miss CCP Seagull's Keynote.


You of all people Malc, know that what CCP says will happen at Fanfest, and what actually happens, are very different. Even then, I found myself generally uninspired by Seagull's keynote. I'm not really putting myself in the same boat as all these "Eve is dying" types, but I have been getting pretty bored the last few expansions, and judging by what CCP are 'saying' I will continue to stay bored with Eve for the foreseeable future.

Maybe I will have to re-watch her keynote, maybe I am just remembering it through mud-stain-tinted glasses, because I don't remember being excited.


Well, CCP Seagulls' speech was moving because of her high stress while delivering it, but all in all, the speech summarized about adding a different kind of space and the possibility to access it through player-built gates. Now, adding more space to a game whose issues are related to space usage rather than space availability doesn't makes much sense to me.

"Build gates, go there, do pew pew" totally sounds like more lowsec/nullsec crap. Now tell me how is that of use to the blooming population of hiseccers. Roll



Well, Everquest Next is based on building your own towns and capitals....

And with Eve being a sandbox, accessing new space through PLAYER made gates would maybe link to.... PLAYER made Empire maybe? Just think of all the industry and mining that would be needed for that! Let alone the battles and contests for that real estate!

Or use a skewed view and think of the current real estate and how that will change, requiring more of... everything, in our current highsec!

Unless you're talking about mission running. In that case, who cares.


You described what nullsec gameplay should be. What makes you think that what isn't happening in nullsec and 80% the players don't give a rat's ass of it, would be a viable gameplay venue? What if not even EVE players like to have their sandcastles stomped so they can't bother themselves about building them at all?

I frankly prefer gameplay venues compatible with hisec. Shady business, secret operations, NPC agents, political bribery, close and personal violence, player-generated PvE... some of the things we see in the chronicles but done by players who never ever risk being ganked by 20 fucktards collecting tears.

And if CCP provides agents able to track who gives money to whom, so a scam can be traced to the final profiteer of the money and make him suffer some consequences for a change... doh. That does not belong in EVE, certainly.

The problem is not space, but the use of it. Most players use hisec and CCP keeps wasting their patience and resources favoring the "cooler" but completely minoritary <0.4 sec space.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#139 - 2013-08-21 19:52:54 UTC
I can't help but think that walking in stations would be something nicer as I have no interest in dog fighting games.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#140 - 2013-08-21 20:01:44 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
ut adding a different kind of space and the possibility to access it through player-built gates.



Last time they talked about new space, new opportunities, new frontier was about Odissey; and what we got is exploration destroyed and replaced with a Pac-Man minigame.



For some completely unforeseable reason, people who like exploration after testing it in hisec, will go to lowsec and will die and leave the game before they bother to learn the way more complicated and time-wasting art of living in lowsec.

CCP pretends that The Wall is not there, but it is. And rather than oblige and follow player were players are (hisec), CCP insists to try to lure them across The Wall with lame new gameplay.

Want 1 sugar roll? Press button in hisec.

Want 2 sugar rolls? Go lowsec, beat the school bullies and don't step on any landmine.

Amazingly enough, people keep doing their stuff in hisec unless they actually joined EVE to beat school bullies and avoid landmines... which is not what the game advertises, anyway. Roll

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you