EVE General Discussion

Delivering an exciting vision is the only thing that you can guarantee CCP will deliver.

I wasn't excited by the vision that CCP Seagull presented. Mainly because it sounded like an alliance only feature and she did a poor job of describing what's in it for the smaller corps and lurkers (which make up the majority of EVE players remember).

Also there a lots of abandoned features right now (WiS anyone) so why should we believer that CCP can deliver on any vision.

Lets talk what exciting things are coming in the short term. Not 6 - 8 years away.

Tirranid is correct. And is not in respect of other game, is in respect of what EVE development used to be.

One can get any pre-incarna expansion and do a comparation with any post-incarna one.

See Apocrypha: brought us:
- A brand new space type, WH, that promoted a new gameplay for small alliances and new in game communities
- A new, revolutionary, modular ship class to handle WH operations
- New industry layer related to this
- new NPC and AI and in general new PVE endgame
- new PVP opportunities and concepts (due to WH chatracteristics, and strategic cruisers roles.
- the ususal bunch of tweeks and fixes that now are sold as main feautures for the current expansions

Compare with Odissey:
- A silly and boring hacking minigame
- A so-called discovery scanner that is nothing but a blinking redesign of the same old scanner UI

And Apocrypha was a 3-months based expansion...

They sell us as "expansion", stuff that was used to be just only a minor side note in a true EVE expansion.

4 new destroyers and some new textures? wow, cool expansion... Instead Trinity alone brought in not only a total rewrite of the graphic engine but also 5 new classes of ships and 20 (TWENTY) new ships. All ships with new roles/functions, not just a copy of existing roles trought in just to give the impression of being at work (aka: T3 BC and new destoryers)

This is the difference. It's strategic. Even medicore expansions like Tyrannis, Dominion and Incursions were more relevant in EVE development and grow opportunities than the last ones.

I think there will be no expansion for many more years - just usual patches (probably created by 10-15 people during couple weeks) with couple new modules and ships, some textures, and one very specific mini-game.

1) Apocrypha was a 1-off exception
2) It was the last in a series of "task expanding" expansions that left a massive "technical debt" of ideas that had been introduced half-formed and never iterated on. CCP have spent most of their effort in the last 2 years to address that debt with "task improvement" expansions, with a minimum of new features and a maximum of long awaited, urgently needed iteration on existing features. And thank God for that.
3) Did you even watch Seagull's keynote presentation?

What about the difference between Crucible and the last three expansions? Comparing the legendary Apocrypha to the last three may be a little extreme, but you can't say the same for Crucible. Crucible certainly contained more content than probably two of more of the previous three put together. If you didn't already see my post about that then it's below;

Yes, I agree.
Spaceships part of EVE is saurated and there is not to expect or ask for more psaceships.
But the funny thing is that is just the only "improvement" they keep doing:

First they say the hurricane is overpowered, need a rebalancing. Fine, do it (-1%). After 6 months they add to the game they add "new" (+1%) faction BC and re-selling me my old hurricane renamed as "hurricane fleet issue" and retextured.
Please don't call this "expansion", "spaceship gameplay improvement" or such. it's only scam.

In the past they didnt add ships just for the sake of it but because there was a need (ie: WH ->need of modular fitting -> T3 cruisers -> industry layer to support it).

EVE is not like other games, EVE don't need new contents, EVE need playground and tools for players to build new contents. Adding and refining this tools is what CCP used to do for years with their true expansions. So, if the spaceship part of the game is saturated (and it is) then should be keep on mantainence/tweak status (as they're doing) but also some new design perspective need to be opened. And as EVE player I'd like to see it opened in the game I love, not in some new external game.

And now not doing it anymore. Why? Because they're busy out of EVE, developing other games. And of course from the company point of view is far more easy and cheap to simply iterate ad nauseam on consolidated and already working elements instead of creating new ones.

Like the never ending reiteration on equip tiers in WOW: T1, T2, T3, T4.... "New" dungeons that are always the same with different numbers and so on... always the same **** sold over and over again.

Dinsdale, if you run for CSM 9 I swear on my mother's life that I will vote for you with both my accounts, and tirelessly urge everyone I speak to to do the same.

Not going to happen.
I have read about the real life harassment that followed one of the previous champions of high sec that managed to get onto a previous CSM. (had to pull down her website, affected her personal life)

Further, the chances that I will get banned on the forums for a LONG time are VERY high, and would overlap with any CSM campaign.

I am not talking about some conspiracy to keep me off the CSM. Even CCP is not that Machiavellian.
I just know that I will speak out against the injustices being done to high sec some time in the future, and will get banned for it, and that will likely be soon.

Besides, what would be the point of getting on the CSM for someone like me?
Why would I want to endure all the ridicule, trolling, and ostracization that would occur from fighting against the CSM null sec cartel power bloc, plus any CCP employees who share their views on the direction of the game.

Any platform I would run on would be hugely obstructionist, bent on slowing down or stopping ANY moves CSM / CCP made to enrich null sec. That would make my voice pretty lonely and futile, like someone screaming at the tide to stop it from rolling in.

Plus I would like to see a few things that would make most of the CSM and CCP shudder, and I would scream incessantly about them:

1. Total in-game asset freeze of not only any CSM individuals, and all their accounts, including a period up to 6 months after they leave the CSM.

2. Massive market tracking of any items affected by changes to the game mechanisms, to ensure inside knowledge is not used to make trillions for alliances affiliated with CSM members. Any one found cheating would not only be bounced from the CSM, their alliance would be stripped of all assets, and their alliance could never put anyone on the CSM again.

3. A public record that displays any and all character corp/alliance affiliations of each and every CCP employee who is involved in any manner of decision-making with the game's direction or game mechanics. The char's name need not be given, but for example, if soundwave has 2 chars in goons, a char in a high sec corp, and a char in an NPC corp, the publicly accessible database would state the names of the goon corps, and the high sec corp he has chars in, but not the NPC corp.

4. Public outing of every player/alliance caught botting or RMT'ing. A full list of every char, with the corp and alliance they were in, would be made available.

5. Complete and transparent, and I mean totally complete and transparent, accounting of the entire Eve economy, broken down just about any way any player could envision, in an annual statement. I would love to see just how much moon goo and null sec ratting income was generated compared to high sec mission / incursion running, or the value of ice mined in null sec last year compared to this year. If one CCP employee in his off-time was able to give so much precise info with SQL requests and a twitter account, imagine what the CCP economists can do in a couple weeks of focused work.

6. All forum moderators must publicly disclose all corp/alliance affiliations.

Are any of those 6 items going to be implemented? Not a chance. Because they would not help the cause of the most influential and rich group in the game. So any time I spent on the CSM would be an utter waste for me, and cause me nothing but inconvenience and potentially serious blowback in my real life. There are enough sociopaths in the null sec cartels that I don't want my name available to them.

It will be about CCP making money.

As you may know, I keep my word.

That's why I'm so careful about giving it.