Wormholes

obviously POSs need to be redone, but that isnt a WH specific thing.

i went back and read all the suggestions in this thread and here's the list of one i would consider a boon to WH life:

- refitting T3s at pos
- custom probe formations (already being done in 1.1)
- more roaming WHs between all classes
- dual statics on C4s
- POS changes (not WH specific)
- alliance bookmarks (not WH specific)

the rest of this 11 page thread of bickering breaks down about evenly between irrelevant comments that have NOTHING to do with WHs, ie: mostly pos related stuff, changes that are fine but totally arbitrary and would have no affect on anything in WHs and just idiotic suggestions (like god damn supers in fkn WHs) from people who have no idea how badly what they are suggesting would impact WH life.

the only things in this thread I want in any way at all are refitting subs at POSs (also, not really a WH specific issue), which should have been done YEARs ago, get it together CCP, and more connections. that said, i can honestly live with the current level of connections just fine.

to put it frankly, the biggest problem with WHs is people complaining about lack of content because they are too lazy to go and generate some.
this is WH space people. nut up, or shut up.

PS: as a general rule, if it's going to make WHs easier: I DONT WANT IT. im looking at you people who want fkn jump clones in WHs.... htfu.
(that being said, need to clarify that adding randomness for randomness' sake does NOT add a challenge, it only adds tedium, which no one wants.)

......so we all agree there is nothing wrong with wh space and please CCP dont try to fix what is not broken.

Problem:

With a small percentage of the player base transversing wormhole space, it is extremely time intensive to find other active players to interact with. I think it would be great to have more tools available to detect and track the movement of ships within wormhole chains. Enabling more ways to track could bring players together more quickly. Any solution should also maintain the tactics of stealth particular to w-space.

Proposed Solution:

Make it possible for scouts to examine/scan a wormhole for evidence of ships that have passed through it. These “tracks” would fade over time becoming harder to detect, or the results detected have a greater chance of being inaccurate. The wormhole scanner could be a mid slot module that is affected by a skill. The higher the skill level the greater accuracy of scans. It would work something like:

Scout jumps through an unexplored wormhole and scans out the system. He finds a few wormholes. After warping to the hole he de-cloaks, locks the wormhole, and activates his hole scanner.

The results would not have to be text, cool multicolor visual effects showing up on the wormhole would be sweet, but the scan output would give the scout info such as:

“A single small ship has has transversed this wormhole very recently.”

The output would stack and vary based on approximate ship quantity, size, and time since passing through.

“A single small ship has has transversed this wormhole very recently.”
“A few mid-sized ships have transversed this wormhole within the past hour.”
“A large ship traversed this wormhole many hours ago.”

As time passes the scans could become more inaccurate based on the age of the ship tracks, pilot skill level, random environmental effects etc.

Possible Result:

The addition of a system like this could help provide players with more information while exploring, reward good decision making, and bring players together faster for potential interactions.

Nope.

Ahh back to the days of pullable jump data. I am not sure it's possible now i though that was yet another thing they broke as a consequence of introducing something else in the game and they couldn't be assed to fix it for the insignificant people of WH space.

I actually do like your idea it is well thought out, but well CCP will make it into some stupid minigame that you need LVL V skills to do sanely and not want to shoot yourself in the face after doing it twice....

^ This, i don't get the urgency to makeover PVE. I would prefer to get it done as quick as i can to go do something fun.

Less easy mode and more challenges!

Couple of problems...

Someone from one big 'PVP' corps complained. That is not most nor all of them. And... does that mean they can't have an opinion because the are in a large corporation? Is being in a PVP corp mean you can't have an opinion on PVE? What's the problem here (other than you have some sort of burr under your saddle about something else)?

Second: Economics is the reason why what it produces is important!! Supply, demand, etc.? Yeah, that stuff. The actual loot is not important but what it makes and how much it is worth is very important.

Most of what causes problems in WH can't be fixed by CCP. POS and fitting T3 at a POS are two which can be fixed though.

You are doing it all wrong...

It only auto-updates when a sig despawns. When a new sig spawns, you don't see it until you've refreshed the list somehow.

Also, if the odyssey scanner goes away, ore sites need to go back to being sigs instead of anoms.