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An Interesting Cosmoray Update

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Nerdy McButtHurt Trald
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-08-20 16:37:39 UTC
For those of you interested I have a fun Cosmoray story for you.

For full disclosure I do know him in RL, and a few of us used to fly with him in a small (mainly PVP) alliance.
Just a bit of background. We met at University in London in 2005, and he is how I got into the game. He got a PhD in Maths, and was by far the smartest person I ever met, but was also the laziest. He had an addictive personality and get into new things, so he would play Eve for 30 hours at a time, then get bored and leave it for weeks!

He couldn't just play the game and PVP like most of us, he thought he was the smartest person in the game and could beat everyone! He had this grand scheme, and he wanted to manipulate people to prove he was the smartest.

As you know he left the game a couple of years ago and moved on (but he had to have drama). His downfall was accepting collateral (Tech II BPO) from an ISK seller that was undervalued and got flagged and was banned. His main account had about 600B in assets, that he lost.
He gave what he had left in the game away, and for my sins I got a Nighthawk BPO!

The Story

Well he never got a job, and recently didn't pay his internet and TV cable bill and the company cut him off.
Well he didn't take that well, and went out into the street and chopped the telegraph pole down! Not even realizing that was an old telephone pole and didn't even carry the wires for his cable company (UK went underground in the 90's). Fast forward six months and he has a ban order from a judge and can't use the internet for 12 months and is trying to find a job.


Connected SCAMS

He started with Wylker - Portsmouth Shipyard Incs (he was from and supported Portsmouth FC) - 40B (confirmed)
Quhegan - New Moon Industries (same as above) - 40B (confirmed)
ROME0 - claimed but not confirmed - 160B (original 10X SCAM in Jita)
Cosmoray - 340B (confirmed)
Others claimed including Riethe (not confirmed)
Cos claimed that he hit 1T in scams, but we never believed him.

There is still a regular poster on here that knows him from old days too.
Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
#2 - 2013-08-20 16:51:19 UTC
Karma strikes again I guess.Blink

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flakeys
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-08-20 17:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
So i'm supposed to be laughing and cheering because someone seems to have a shitlife rl ...but that is ok as he was an ******* ingame?


As much as i hate scammers and Cosmo including , it's a game ******.



Rather distastefull ....

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Admiral PizzaRoll
Krull Serenity
#4 - 2013-08-20 19:02:14 UTC
Sucks to be that guy. He probably should have spent more time trying to prove how smart he was by making money IRL instead of doing it in a video game.

Though I do find it hard to believe that anyone with a PhD in Mathematics is lazy or having money issues. This entire story is most likely made up.
Pol Aihaken
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-08-20 19:41:47 UTC
flakeys wrote:
So i'm supposed to be laughing and cheering because someone seems to have a shitlife rl ...but that is ok as he was an ******* ingame?

As much as i hate scammers and Cosmo including , it's a game ******.

Rather distastefull ....

Just because it's a game doesn't mean your actions in it don't say something about who you really are. You have only to sit down play a good game of Risk or Monopoly to watch people's true natures rise to the surface. I've never bought the argument that somehow the scammers and douchebags in this game were engaged in roleplaying, which is what it would have to be for it not to be an indication of who they really are. Here we have an excellent example: he was the same in game and out. I'll wager the rest are too.

EVE isn't just a game. It's a giant psychological experiment.
Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#6 - 2013-08-20 19:53:11 UTC
Pol Aihaken wrote:
I've never bought the argument that somehow the scammers and douchebags in this game were engaged in roleplaying

What about the argument that they are playing a game?
okoolos rimmer
Napkin Nation
#7 - 2013-08-20 20:19:03 UTC
It could be argued that people in a game act the way the do as there are no consequences to their actions, thus their real natures came out. I think a game scammer would be more likely to cheat in school/work etc if an opportunity arose then say an average miner. We can see peoples true colors in the game (there are exceptions of course).

As for myself if I knew a peron plays EVE and is a scammer/awoxer I would not trust them with RL matters at all.
Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#8 - 2013-08-20 20:21:25 UTC
okoolos rimmer wrote:
It could be argued that people in a game act the way the do as there are no consequences to their actions, thus their real natures came out. I think a game scammer would be more likely to cheat in school/work etc if an opportunity arose then say an average miner. We can see peoples true colors in the game (there are exceptions of course).

As for myself if I knew a peron plays EVE and is a scammer/awoxer I would not trust them with RL matters at all.

How does this tally with the number of people you have murdered in games?
flakeys
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-08-20 20:38:37 UTC
Blueprint Seller wrote:
okoolos rimmer wrote:
It could be argued that people in a game act the way the do as there are no consequences to their actions, thus their real natures came out. I think a game scammer would be more likely to cheat in school/work etc if an opportunity arose then say an average miner. We can see peoples true colors in the game (there are exceptions of course).

As for myself if I knew a peron plays EVE and is a scammer/awoxer I would not trust them with RL matters at all.

How does this tally with the number of people you have murdered in games?



And in this case the general question is more :

If you believe a scammer in a game in general also is not the nicest person , would that make you automatically find it fun if someone has a shitlife rl because after all he wasn't nice in your pixelworld.

And then if you come to that conclusion , what does that say about your so called ''decent values'' unlike that bad scammerdude with no values at all Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#10 - 2013-08-20 21:04:55 UTC
okoolos rimmer wrote:
It could be argued that people in a game act the way the do as there are no consequences to their actions, thus their real natures came out. I think a game scammer would be more likely to cheat in school/work etc if an opportunity arose then say an average miner. We can see peoples true colors in the game (there are exceptions of course).

As for myself if I knew a peron plays EVE and is a scammer/awoxer I would not trust them with RL matters at all.


I think people who are ruthless in Poker, Monopoly and Scrabble are also not to be trusted with RL matters at all. Especially those greedy bunnies who put hotels on all the purple spaces and profit from those who have the misfortune to have a dice roll land them there.

They must be the type of person who would trample on you to get a quick buck IRL too, and not charitable at all, as they never let you off your rent if you are broke.

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Careby
#11 - 2013-08-20 21:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Careby
Pol Aihaken wrote:
... he was the same in game and out. I'll wager the rest are too.

EVE isn't just a game. It's a giant psychological experiment.

I'll agree that EVE is a giant psychology experiment. But just like other experiments you have to be careful not to draw the wrong conclusions.

For instance, if I murder you in game, am I likely to murder you in real life? Not a valid conclusion because in-game death is in no way comparable to RL death. If I steal your ISK in game, am I likely to steal your RL money? Here much depends on my interpretation of what ISK is. If I view it as an actual asset belonging to you, maybe so. But if I consider it a scorekeeping number, maybe not. Just because the victim thinks it had real value doesn't mean it really did. RL money represents food, shelter, survival, and wealth. ISK is none of those things.

If I take your queen in chess, nobody considers me a bad guy. Why would bankrupting you with a hotel on Boardwalk be any different? It's the object of the game! EVE is more complex, and nobody knows what the object is. But lying, stealing, and killing are apparently integral parts of it.
flakeys
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-08-20 21:25:58 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
okoolos rimmer wrote:
It could be argued that people in a game act the way the do as there are no consequences to their actions, thus their real natures came out. I think a game scammer would be more likely to cheat in school/work etc if an opportunity arose then say an average miner. We can see peoples true colors in the game (there are exceptions of course).

As for myself if I knew a peron plays EVE and is a scammer/awoxer I would not trust them with RL matters at all.


I think people who are ruthless in Poker, Monopoly and Scrabble are also not to be trusted with RL matters at all. Especially those greedy bunnies who put hotels on all the purple spaces and profit from those who have the misfortune to have a dice roll land them there.

They must be the type of person who would trample on you to get a quick buck IRL too, and not charitable at all, as they never let you off your rent if you are broke.



Send em to jail Big smile

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#13 - 2013-08-20 21:40:12 UTC
seems legit

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-08-20 22:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
okoolos rimmer wrote:
It could be argued that people in a game act the way the do as there are no consequences to their actions, thus their real natures came out. I think a game scammer would be more likely to cheat in school/work etc if an opportunity arose then say an average miner. We can see peoples true colors in the game (there are exceptions of course).

As for myself if I knew a peron plays EVE and is a scammer/awoxer I would not trust them with RL matters at all.


It could be argued, yes, but the person arguing it would be an idiot.

e: I'd also like to flip the argument around and point out that the average miner is lazy and whines for the government (CCP) to solve their problems (gankers, can flippers, etc.)

See? It ca be used to cast anyone in a bad light.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-08-20 22:10:52 UTC
Am I overly cynical for noticing that Nerdy McButtHurt Trald was created a month after cosmoray left EVE?

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Nerdy McButtHurt Trald
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-08-20 22:41:39 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Am I overly cynical for noticing that Nerdy McButtHurt Trald was created a month after cosmoray left EVE?


All my current characters are that age when I re-subbed into the game after 2 year absence. I just play FW now!
Read into that what you like.

And to a previous poster about PhD and laziness. Just because you get a degree, doesn't mean you like or want to work.
I am not that smart but I work hard.

The funny thing about Cos was a wierd blue sky type ability to see stuff, which I or others barely understood. He chose not to apply it and could have had anything he wanted. Deciding to cut down a cable pole was an example of out there ness. Just have to laugh.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-08-20 23:40:48 UTC
the argument about peoples true nature coming out in the game may or may not be true, but it is irrelevant unless you subscribe to the corollary that people cannot control their true nature irl. does every pedophile end up molesting children?

as for the person in question: he obviously has severe psychological problems and i feel compassion for him.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Umar Umarhabib
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-08-21 00:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Umar Umarhabib
Nerdy McButtHurt Trald wrote:
For those of you interested I have a fun Cosmoray story for you.

For full disclosure I do know him in RL, and a few of us used to fly with him in a small (mainly PVP) alliance.
Just a bit of background. We met at University in London in 2005, and he is how I got into the game. He got a PhD in Maths, and was by far the smartest person I ever met, but was also the laziest. He had an addictive personality and get into new things, so he would play Eve for 30 hours at a time, then get bored and leave it for weeks!

He couldn't just play the game and PVP like most of us, he thought he was the smartest person in the game and could beat everyone! He had this grand scheme, and he wanted to manipulate people to prove he was the smartest.

As you know he left the game a couple of years ago and moved on (but he had to have drama). His downfall was accepting collateral (Tech II BPO) from an ISK seller that was undervalued and got flagged and was banned. His main account had about 600B in assets, that he lost.
He gave what he had left in the game away, and for my sins I got a Nighthawk BPO!

The Story

Well he never got a job, and recently didn't pay his internet and TV cable bill and the company cut him off.
Well he didn't take that well, and went out into the street and chopped the telegraph pole down! Not even realizing that was an old telephone pole and didn't even carry the wires for his cable company (UK went underground in the 90's). Fast forward six months and he has a ban order from a judge and can't use the internet for 12 months and is trying to find a job.


Connected SCAMS

He started with Wylker - Portsmouth Shipyard Incs (he was from and supported Portsmouth FC) - 40B (confirmed)
Quhegan - New Moon Industries (same as above) - 40B (confirmed)
ROME0 - claimed but not confirmed - 160B (original 10X SCAM in Jita)
Cosmoray - 340B (confirmed)
Others claimed including Riethe (not confirmed)
Cos claimed that he hit 1T in scams, but we never believed him.

There is still a regular poster on here that knows him from old days too.





This is a long time ago, but if I recall correctly, Bad Bobby took a bunch of Titan BPO's from the Titans4U, and Cosmoray was in charge of overseeing the lock down.......or something like that?

Then Cosmoray just happened to go AFK while Bad Bobby was able to take the BPO's.

Should we add this to the list of his connected scams?
Umar Umarhabib
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-08-21 00:31:25 UTC
okoolos rimmer wrote:
It could be argued that people in a game act the way the do as there are no consequences to their actions, thus their real natures came out. I think a game scammer would be more likely to cheat in school/work etc if an opportunity arose then say an average miner. We can see peoples true colors in the game (there are exceptions of course).

As for myself if I knew a peron plays EVE and is a scammer/awoxer I would not trust them with RL matters at all.


the way I see it is, we're all just like pigeons. The better you are at taking food from others, the fatter you get.
Mme Pinkerton
#20 - 2013-08-21 01:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mme Pinkerton
Nerdy McButtHurt Trald wrote:

He started with Wylker - Portsmouth Shipyard Incs (he was from and supported Portsmouth FC) - 40B (confirmed)
Quhegan - New Moon Industries (same as above) - 40B (confirmed)


Wylker/Arkad being cosmoray is a theory I can buy into, in fact it appears very plausible to me.

Quhegan/Qaren being the same player as Arkad is something I find harder to believe (although YGR did point out the similarities at the time).

Could you offer some sort of substantiation for that claim? Arkad and Qaren are two sets of characters (each has several alts), both with a main going back to 2003 and no overlap whatsoever in employment histories. It's hard to believe that these belong to the same player (so much effort) without having some kind of link.

cosmoray and Riethe being the same player would be intriguing Blink ... after all cosmoray's entry ticket to MD was the claim to be the alt of an anonymous investor who fell victim to both, Wylker's and Riethe's scams. But then Grismar is already Riethe and if cosmoray is from Portsmouth he can't be Grismar P

If what you write about cosmoray's real-life is true then I hope that his life is turning towards a better future but, to be frank, I don't quite understand the point of this thread.

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