Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This needs to happen.

Why not place a border fence lined with large anti-ship mines between the races? Ever watch The Last Star Fighter?

In order to pass into another races territory you would have to have a special pass key issued to you by the race based on your standings with the race.

The higher the standings means you can go pretty much anywhere. Lower standings means that you would be restricted to certain systems until your standings increased.

....or we can just launch 150,000 Doomsday Weapons...say the hell with it and hope for the best....

Where is GoonSwarm when you need them to do something like this?

Probably partying at the Goon Tower.

Yeah, npc restriction based on standings.... get out

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IRL, I'm not going to get mugged crossing from France into Germany ... but crossing between North and South Korea might be a different matter. If you really want to separate the empires then you make it based on -security-.

NPC corps from one empire should not be allowed to freely enter the space of an enemy empire, problem solved.

Player corps would be asked but not required to declare themselves for an empire. If they wish they can remain neutral, but will face higher corp fees and taxes.

Anyone could war-dec a neutral corp and vice versa, but would be unable to war-dec a 'friendly' corp ... or perhaps they could at a higher cost.

This would actually create a -real- division between the empires, instead of a stealth gate camping boost.

The change is based on security, the security of the systems connecting the empires.


False. Genuine new players should not be restricted in travel based on anything but their wits. Just slapping restrictions around doesn't help anyone.


So declare yourself for an empire, inhibiting your ability to travel as a trader (or anyone), or don't and face higher taxes, inhibiting your ability to trade. This wouldn't help anyone either.


Wardecking NPC corps, which must be what your referring to (since you can go to war with any player corp). Id love to lay waste to highsec hugging npc corpies, but 5 seconds of forethought says incredible amounts of abuse would happen. And that would be much more threatening to the casual play style. Buff to rage quit?


Downright silly. The change is about risk vs reward and player traffic. Gate camps are a byproduct of high consistent traffic through a bottleneck. The eventuality of increased attention on the empire connections has been appropriately acknowledged and addressed.



TL:DR = I'm too lazy to properly educate myself on this subject and am likely about to show my ignorance. Not only in the issues arising and addressed about a given topic, but also my lack of fundamental understanding of economics, social engineering, and game mechanics.

I went to preview this and it completely ate the reply.. so I hope I can remember everything I wanted to say. I will admit I was quick to jump the gun of "someone reply to me!"

Erutpar Ambient I think this can answer you as well, I ran out of room to use quotes.



We can debate semantics all day, but yes I agree that FW pvp and low sec pvp in general are different. That's why I mentioned that FW space may not be to your liking, but there is simply more happening there.



If you're talking about "shopping around" as in cherry picking the cheapest mods from empire to empire and then consolidating them into one location, that is entirely dependant on your playstyle and how many hours you are willing to haul mods just to get good prices on them, which isn't fun.

I'm not sure how else to explain it, but least amount of risk that is the most similar to flying a freighter is a jump freighter, there simply is no alternate option for that kind of cargo space. Again if you're just taking a handful of mods, ships, or faction stuff then a cloaky hauler can work just fine, but it depends on if you think it's worth it to carry 1+ bil in a Viator with the potential of stumbling on a instalock camp, or sheer bad luck. The only scenarios of flying a freighter through low sec with any acceptable amount of risk involve waiting until low traffic timezones to move, and not everyone has the luxury to be on around those times at will, thus less potential freighters to catch.

What I was trying to allude to is that null sec alliances HAVE to mine more ice in their space and it is a significant amount. This very directly gives them more control over T2 prices, and you can't say that MOST pvp ships aren't T2 fitted. Local T1 mod and ship production won't change a whole lot because high sec mining is where essentially all minerals in EVE come from (however ores are not evenly distributed through empire, thus more JFs), but T2 materials come from null. My question is how much would T2 and fuel rise? This sort of ties into hulkageddon.


Unless I completely missed the underlying point of Burn Jita 2.0, it was simply goons and test teaming up to gank freighters and shiny ships for the lulz, and then extended it for another week because people are dumb and didn't see the numerous adverts saying FREIGHTERS IN JITA WILL DIE.

Hulkageddon did throw the banter out to afk high sec ice miners about how safe they have it, but you can't look at the market data and tell me someone didn't just say "you know, I like monopolies. I think I'll make my own for a short time" and then controlled the market through domination of ice fields under a guise of "nerf high sec." Let's say there's another hulkageddon, the prices rise even more because of the increased reliance on fuel.



I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Yes, most high sec gankers would relocate to trade hubs or random 0.5 systems, most wouldn't go to low because they have no cajones and there would be no freighters there. Someone mentioned having an extremely long high sec path between empires as an alternative to shorter low sec routes but all that does is condenses freighters to be easier gank and war targets in high sec. it's almost certainly not enough of a deterrent to make freighter pilots choose to go into low sec.



Another interesting issue is how do you deal with incursions? I tried to find the ISK income chart I saw at fanfest but I can't seem to find it. I'm pretty sure incursions make a lot of money so if incursions aren't handled properly there's suddenly a lot less ISK flowing into the market. They are mostly crowded enough as it is so I don't think having one incursion per empire would be quite enough, and low/null incursions are scarcely run in any serious manner. Unpackaged battleships cannot be fit into a JF and there is no way in hell these people will risk their 4bil vindies in low sec.

A gate for every tornado and a tornado for every gate!

QFT. +1

CONCORD is in an ongoing power struggle with Sansha's Nation, and their Incursions have taken a toll. CONCORD, in an effort to maintain the security and prosperity in the heart of each Empire, has chosen to withdraw from the more outlying systems, leaving the "borderland" systems a hostile environment run by Pirates, and Criminals. Space between Empires has been, unfortunately, left to the wilds.

BOOM

If there is a small number of systems between M and G/C and A then they will be more easily camped. They should be equal, but thinner.