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Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#41 - 2013-08-19 13:50:29 UTC
Why should you take a fight, where you cannot dictate the conditions? That would be stupid.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#42 - 2013-08-19 16:03:29 UTC
Undock 3 fleet boosters, 2 RR and a falcon?

Starbuck05 wrote:


What would the l33t pvp'er have done?




nom nom
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#43 - 2013-08-19 16:08:40 UTC
Karak Bol wrote:
Why should you take a fight, where you cannot dictate the conditions? That would be stupid.

Fun?
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#44 - 2013-08-19 21:44:31 UTC
Yes you are because you took a fight largely in your favor, and ran away from one where the terms were more or less equal. Then again, sometimes I'll do the same if I see the match-up as one sided or I don't want to risk losing the ship.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#45 - 2013-08-19 21:45:01 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Karak Bol wrote:
Why should you take a fight, where you cannot dictate the conditions? That would be stupid.

Fun?



We certainly don't play Eve to have fun.....
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#46 - 2013-08-19 22:30:41 UTC
Phaade wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Karak Bol wrote:
Why should you take a fight, where you cannot dictate the conditions? That would be stupid.
Fun?
We certainly don't play Eve to have fun.....

Which should have been obvious when the OP said he flew a Hawk. My bad.
Stahl Rise
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-08-20 17:18:00 UTC
You are right if you follow what "The Art of War" says.
You are possibly wrong if you follow a knight's rules.
Only you know if you did right or wrong. I would never care what others think about my actions in EvE.

By the way, if you go to low sec you know what you will find. So should you when you come to the forum to ask such a thing. Heck, I bet you don't even need to ask, you should know what the answers will generally look like.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#48 - 2013-08-20 18:58:29 UTC
Stahl Rise wrote:
You are right if you follow what "The Art of War" says.
You are possibly wrong if you follow a knight's rules.


Now hold on a minute. Sun Tzu never said anything about wimping out from an even fight.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#49 - 2013-08-20 19:01:14 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
Stahl Rise wrote:
You are right if you follow what "The Art of War" says.
You are possibly wrong if you follow a knight's rules.
Now hold on a minute. Sun Tzu never said anything about wimping out from an even fight.

I think Sun Tzu said something about water flowing somewhere, having alts in adjacent systems for precise intel, and having cloaked loki boosted alts ready to go so that you know yourself better than the enemy knows you.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#50 - 2013-08-20 19:03:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Starbuck05 wrote:
Well more or less..

Hi guys,

So lemme begin by telling a story, earlier today i was in my hawk doin a medium plex when a pirate merlin showed up,naturally i figured i can take him,and i did.. next thing i know same pilot returned but this time with a vengeance ( the ship but i agree name fits for the task :). ) so knowing that from preveous engagements hawk vs vengeance from my past experiance,i would lose the fight.. so i figured why lose a ship for nothing... So i ran away.
Now , after i ran that said pilot ofc started ranting in local and i stood and smiled and colected few tears before i left system.. but what bothered me is the fact he said i was a coward(he used alot of words to imply that) so my question to u guys is ,was i really a coward?or did i just do a smart move and avoided a loss by thinking?

What would the l33t pvp'er have done?


Depends...
  • did you decline the fight because you were certain you would lose?
    • or
  • did you decline the fight because you weren't certain you would win?

    • I'm a big fan of taking risks with my ships. Like trying to solo a vaga or cane in a taranis. These are things I know can be done, but are often difficult or dangerous to pull off. I don't know how your hawk was fit, but a dual asb hawk can often out tank and out dps the dual rep vengeance. At the same time, it really depends on your fits (and if either of you have boosters). It would be an interesting fight IMO, and I probably would have taken it.

    Many of EvE's player base won't take a fight unless they are certain they can win. Some call that smart play, some call that cowardly play. I consider it a fowl disease corrupting EvE's small gang PvP atmospheres.

    Edit: I just got done reading the entire thread.... and frankly, props to the vengeance pilot. Op, you should aspire to be so competent.
    JAF Anders
    Adenosine Inhibition
    #51 - 2013-08-20 19:19:29 UTC
    X Gallentius wrote:
    JAF Anders wrote:
    Stahl Rise wrote:
    You are right if you follow what "The Art of War" says.
    You are possibly wrong if you follow a knight's rules.
    Now hold on a minute. Sun Tzu never said anything about wimping out from an even fight.

    I think Sun Tzu said something about water flowing somewhere, having alts in adjacent systems for precise intel, and having cloaked loki boosted alts ready to go so that you know yourself better than the enemy knows you.


    Damn. I really need to brush up.

    The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
    Ginger Barbarella
    #52 - 2013-08-22 21:55:40 UTC
    Starbuck05 wrote:
    Well more or less..

    Hi guys,

    So lemme begin by telling a story, earlier today i was in my hawk doin a medium plex when a pirate merlin showed up,naturally i figured i can take him,and i did.. next thing i know same pilot returned but this time with a vengeance ( the ship but i agree name fits for the task :). ) so knowing that from preveous engagements hawk vs vengeance from my past experiance,i would lose the fight.. so i figured why lose a ship for nothing... So i ran away.
    Now , after i ran that said pilot ofc started ranting in local and i stood and smiled and colected few tears before i left system.. but what bothered me is the fact he said i was a coward(he used alot of words to imply that) so my question to u guys is ,was i really a coward?or did i just do a smart move and avoided a loss by thinking?

    What would the l33t pvp'er have done?


    You chose your fight. What anyone else says is irrelevent.

    "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
    chatgris
    Quantum Cats Syndicate
    Of Essence
    #53 - 2013-08-22 23:20:37 UTC
    Starbuck05 wrote:
    What would the l33t pvp'er have done?


    Taken the fair fight?
    Infinity Ziona
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #54 - 2013-08-23 03:44:30 UTC
    We're not playing Honerable Duels Online. You did the right thing. If in doubt feck off. That leaves you unbeaten and smiling and him in a pod crying. You're fine.

    CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

    Kaalrus pwned..... :)
    Deliora May
    Altersheim fuer grummelige Veteranen
    #55 - 2013-08-29 00:36:52 UTC
    I think that warping of can be a smart decision. It depends on the mental state you are in, if you are sober, drunk, happy, angry, etc. and it depends alot on your experience. You might fight a ships where everyone will tell you it'll be an easy fight.... only to see your ship go up in flames or the other way round.
    If you have bad experiences fighting against certain ship types it might mean two things:
    A) You need to rework your strategy of engaging them
    B) You need to rework your fitting
    Now depending on the way you fit your hawk and the way the vengeance is fitted the result can differ a lot. If the pilot knew exactly what you were flying and how - warping off was the smart choice in my book :)
    There is a difference between taking a fight you might lose and taking a fight where the odds are clearly stacked against you. No need to hand out "free" killmails :)
    Marc Callan
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #56 - 2013-08-29 08:34:21 UTC
    People engage for a bunch of different reasons, including but not limited to "good fights", probing to gauge the enemy's reaction, baiting, or other tactical or strategic reasons. Sometimes the objective of the encounter is actually accomplished before the first weapons are triggered. And in many such cases, it's more sensible to withdraw from the fight than to lose resources you might be able to save for another engagement.

    It's like the old philosopher said:
    One must know when to hold them;
    One must know when to fold them;
    One must know when to walk away;
    One must know when to run.

    "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
    Joan Greywind
    The Lazy Crabs
    #57 - 2013-09-03 05:49:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
    Really glad that you have high regards for e-honor Fateamendabletochange, and so easily call someone else "f@ggot" and "your mom is a whore (paraphrasing)". Really honorable.

    If someone chooses not to fight you, especially when his goal is plexing, and the fact that you already fought him before, having an unfair intel advantage, doesn't mean you were the better pvper.

    If I kill someone then I see him again in another ship, unless it is something I recognize immediately, my first instinct will always be to disengage, it is just logical. He has the advantage of knowing exactly what to bring to beat me (otherwise he is an idiot), and he will be a better mental and strategic position, as he already thought this fight through and knows exactly what he needs to be doing.

    Now don't get me wrong in EVE if someone chooses to not fight you have a right to call them out and maybe have a little fun with them, but that certainly doesn't make them a "f@ggot". It is important how you also make fun of him, because there is a very fine line between old fashioned sarcasm, and giving a bucket full of tears (which you did).

    And I love it when frigate fliers think they are risk takers, don't get me wrong it is fun and requires a lot of skills, but you aren't risking much, so take it down a notch with the risk taking. Flying atrons and merlins is not risk taking, hunting in machariels on the other hand.....
    Starbuck05
    Abiding Ormolus
    #58 - 2013-09-03 06:24:31 UTC
    Joan Greywind wrote:
    Really glad that you have high regards for e-honor Fateamendabletochange, and so easily call someone else "f@ggot" and "your mom is a ***** (paraphrasing)". Really honorable.

    If someone chooses not to fight you, especially when his goal is plexing, and the fact that you already fought him before, having an unfair intel advantage, doesn't mean you were the better pvper.

    If I kill someone then I see him again in another ship, unless it is something I recognize immediately, my first instinct will always be to disengage, it is just logical. He has the advantage of knowing exactly what to bring to beat me (otherwise he is an idiot), and he will be a better mental and strategic position, as he already thought this fight through and knows exactly what he needs to be doing.

    Now don't get me wrong in EVE if someone chooses to not fight you have a right to call them out and maybe have a little fun with them, but that certainly doesn't make them a "f@ggot". It is important how you also make fun of him, because there is a very fine line between old fashioned sarcasm, and giving a bucket full of tears (which you did).

    And I love it when frigate fliers think they are risk takers, don't get me wrong it is fun and requires a lot of skills, but you aren't risking much, so take it down a notch with the risk taking. Flying atrons and merlins is not risk taking, hunting in machariels on the other hand.....

    I love this guy , finally sommeone understood wtf i was trying to tell people!

    Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
    Theroine
    Pew Pew Pirates
    #59 - 2013-09-04 09:57:41 UTC
    chatgris wrote:
    Starbuck05 wrote:
    What would the l33t pvp'er have done?


    Taken the fair fight?

    ^^

    Time to move on to another thread folks.

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