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Any Miner Corps that want to sell bulk ores?
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Daler Farmon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-08-19 09:32:39 UTC
Hi,

I've been looking in the forums but didn't find it. As, I want to go with industry and do create some T1 equipments, I would like to have a "contract" with some mining corp or people, whoever that can provide me with ores. So, u dont have to pay taxes, or spend time and regulate ore prices.

I'm looking for long term service. Prices also should be reasonable less then in the market. Otherwise I could go and buy them in the market.

P.S. Not so sure if its profitable to those who mine, just write here any ideas or any terms or prices that u've got.

Thanks
Setsune Rin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-08-19 12:44:52 UTC
try talking to miners you see ingame, i doubt they frequent this forum an awefull lot
brinelan
#3 - 2013-08-19 19:38:20 UTC
you would get better results in the buy forums.
Thur Barbek
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-08-20 02:08:33 UTC
I, too, would love to buy bulk minerals below market value.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#5 - 2013-08-20 06:47:01 UTC
Last time I have done that, the minimum minerals order was 6-10B.

Do you have what it takes for that?

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Daler Farmon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-08-20 07:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Daler Farmon
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Last time I have done that, the minimum minerals order was 6-10B.

Do you have what it takes for that?


As I mentioned, I'm starting.. so I can buy for 500mln for now. And I'm looking for long term service, so in future it definitely will go behind this 500mln.
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#7 - 2013-08-20 09:24:21 UTC
Daler Farmon wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Last time I have done that, the minimum minerals order was 6-10B.

Do you have what it takes for that?


As I mentioned, I'm starting.. so I can buy for 500mln for now. And I'm looking for long term service, so in future it definitely will go behind this 500mln.


I'm taking a guess, that you are just starting out in industry, honestly, training into a trade character, will maximize your margins.

It's all good to get into industry etc, but at the end of the day if your taxes erode your margins, then you will lose isk.

Use the trade character to place multiple buy orders for the minerals, well ahead of your build schedule leave a good buffer so there's no time wasted in building.

That's the way forward for regular supply of minerals, not relying on players, in eve online Oops

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Daler Farmon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-20 09:36:44 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:

I'm taking a guess, that you are just starting out in industry, honestly, training into a trade character, will maximize your margins.

It's all good to get into industry etc, but at the end of the day if your taxes erode your margins, then you will lose isk.

Use the trade character to place multiple buy orders for the minerals, well ahead of your build schedule leave a good buffer so there's no time wasted in building.

That's the way forward for regular supply of minerals, not relying on players, in eve online Oops


Yeah u r right. I've been simply advised that its better to find some miners and get from them ores... After doing a little bit more research on this, I came out to idea, that better at the beginning to get all ores by myself (buy or mine) then in future go out with some other people.
I think new miners would be glad to work with me, as most probably they don't have enough SP and standings to trade efficiently... (some ideas though)

Anyway.. either its going to work out or no, np for me. Thanks for advice
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#9 - 2013-08-20 09:54:11 UTC
Daler Farmon wrote:

Yeah u r right. I've been simply advised that its better to find some miners and get from them ores... After doing a little bit more research on this, I came out to idea, that better at the beginning to get all ores by myself (buy or mine) then in future go out with some other people.
I think new miners would be glad to work with me, as most probably they don't have enough SP and standings to trade efficiently... (some ideas though)

Anyway.. either its going to work out or no, np for me. Thanks for advice


Don't take what people say here as gospel either, if it works for you, you are doing it right :), I'm just saying there's more than one way to skin a cat, or ermm a roid in your case LolP

Good Luck!

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#10 - 2013-08-20 12:05:40 UTC
Hi Candy, long time no see!

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SJ Astralana
Syncore
#11 - 2013-08-20 12:47:02 UTC
Since miners typically sell into buy orders where the buyer pays the sales tax and broker fee, there's absolutely nothing for the miner to gain by selling to a buyer below market. The only possible win win seems to be if the buyer and the miner split the difference, but in the end that's peanuts comparatively.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#12 - 2013-08-20 13:06:08 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
Since miners typically sell into buy orders where the buyer pays the sales tax and broker fee, there's absolutely nothing for the miner to gain by selling to a buyer below market. The only possible win win seems to be if the buyer and the miner split the difference, but in the end that's peanuts comparatively.


The matter has many, many more ramifications than this.

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Lambert Simnel
PWLS Enterprises
#13 - 2013-08-21 21:15:01 UTC
Your best bet is to contact miners who regularly mine the belts on your chosen build system. If you are using relatively small quantities then they may sell to you to avoid haulage costs. However you will probably still need to offer the buy rates at the local market hub as a minimum.
Thoraemond
Far Ranger
#14 - 2013-08-22 02:01:41 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
Since miners typically sell into buy orders where the buyer pays the sales tax and broker fee, there's absolutely nothing for the miner to gain by selling to a buyer below market. The only possible win win seems to be if the buyer and the miner split the difference, but in the end that's peanuts comparatively.

Actually, Sales Tax is paid by the seller at the time of sale, a percentage of the proceeds of the sale. Whether the seller makes a standing sell order or sells to a standing buy order makes no difference to the Sales Tax paid.

A seller can avoid paying a Broker Fee by selling immediately to a standing buy order.

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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#15 - 2013-08-22 09:03:52 UTC
Thoraemond wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:
Since miners typically sell into buy orders where the buyer pays the sales tax and broker fee, there's absolutely nothing for the miner to gain by selling to a buyer below market. The only possible win win seems to be if the buyer and the miner split the difference, but in the end that's peanuts comparatively.

Actually, Sales Tax is paid by the seller at the time of sale, a percentage of the proceeds of the sale. Whether the seller makes a standing sell order or sells to a standing buy order makes no difference to the Sales Tax paid.

A seller can avoid paying a Broker Fee by selling immediately to a standing buy order.


There is some value in selling or buying ore via contracts, instead of the Market. If profit margins are tight (as I believe they are in the ore/mineral arena) then shaving off that 0.5% or however much it is, from a billion ISK-sized trade deal, might be worthwhile.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-08-24 15:20:36 UTC
Any negotiation between two parties needs to bring benefit to both parties to reach agreement.

Anything else is a child expecting strangers to treat him/her with the same form of preferential treatment as his/her parents.