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How do you treat your crews?

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#61 - 2013-08-17 20:23:18 UTC
Yes.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

John Caligan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-08-17 22:33:55 UTC
I've always been a firm believer that a strong captain-crew relationship is what makes a ship run best. Part of that is making sure the crew don't get killed, and part of that is making sure that nothing hits the hull. My main source of income being blowing up pirates, not other capsuleers, this is very easy to do, as my ship's shields are strong... and usually if they're down, I'm in over my head and am warping out anyway. But I try to maintain a safe workspace. I pay my crew well enough for them to enjoy themselves and maintain a somewhat higher quality of life than your average Caldari crewman, and make sure they are well cared for. My shipboard crews are always ready to work for our collective good, and my "core" crewmen are the ones where the mutual trust between captain and crewman are strongest.

Those "core" men are the kinds of people who I trust to do what is necessary, meaning that if a missile won't launch because the launch system is broken, I can trust them to climb in there to dislodge and fire it, and ride it all the way to its target while waving a 10-gallon hat in the vaccum, and I know they'll do that because they know that if I was in their situation, I'd do the same for them.
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#63 - 2013-08-19 17:55:30 UTC
I was already reported 4 times for sexual harassment and inappropriate punishment of a spaceship crew (that was in the official message from CONCORD), while all I do is that I buttslap my fellow crew members for their good and / or bad work.


I have no idea why some people are taking it so offensively, but I guess on a battleship with 2455 people, it's hard to make everyone to love you.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Kourdus
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-08-19 19:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kourdus
Ah, a moment of free time, and an interesting discussion.

I'd like to ask the Caldari contingent their thoughts on Automation. and by Automation, I mean Automaton workers, maintenance Drones, I suppose you would call them, maintaining your systems inflight, rather than Human Crews.

I intend to look into this further in the future, as an alternative to risking Caldari lives, whose talents can be put to use elsewhere. I still intend to employ sizable station-based human maintenance crews, of course.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#65 - 2013-08-19 19:43:38 UTC
Drones are... okay, I suppose. That said a Drone can be efficient but never inspired - in most cases they still need human oversight. Look at the Rogue Drone battleships - unchained AI's with access to subroutines that our own expert systems will never enjoy, and they still aren't a patch on a decent human crew.

I'll always prefer the fighting spirit of a human crew - but I try to pare down that crew to the minimum needed for efficiency.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-08-19 22:01:09 UTC
The crew? I have a group for high sec ships and my nullsec ships and needless to say the nullsec group has higher pay to go with their higher chance of death. That said I try to give greater consideration to the nullsec crew by going to see them during my down time. They are usually found with the Intaki workers from the assembly lines or with my alliance mates crews. Holo game tournaments are something I like to provide as well as free rounds at the stations bars and eateries. It's the least I can do for them for the danger I put them in. I also have a friend ferry over packages from their families or small items from Amarr or Jita when he can. Small things that make them comfortable.

My highsec crews are a bit more relaxed in their standards being so close to Amarr so I let them on shore leave whenever I go shopping. I'm not entirely connected to them as much as the nullsec crew because of their relatively local status. They have their lives and are free to go about them as they will. I occassionaly see them but mostly professional relationships.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-08-20 06:16:50 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
I was already reported 4 times for sexual harassment and inappropriate punishment of a spaceship crew

Pfft. Gallenteans.
This is why the Federation must be destroyed!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#68 - 2013-08-20 09:18:07 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
I was already reported 4 times for sexual harassment and inappropriate punishment of a spaceship crew (that was in the official message from CONCORD), while all I do is that I buttslap my fellow crew members for their good and / or bad work.


I have no idea why some people are taking it so offensively, but I guess on a battleship with 2455 people, it's hard to make everyone to love you.


Maybe you could try a bit harder not to invade anyone's private space? Seriously, these are people your ship depends upon. These are people you (or your HR people) have hired. They are still every single one of them a person, with feelings that are important and valid.

If you can't get that through the jacks in your skull, you should stick to flying things you can pilot on your own.

Respect your crew, respect your ship, it's not that difficult.

John Caligan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-08-22 17:31:38 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Caroline Grace wrote:
I was already reported 4 times for sexual harassment and inappropriate punishment of a spaceship crew

Pfft. Gallenteans.
This is why the Federation must be destroyed!


This is what I don't understand about you extremists. Why destroy someone who is a) not currently trying to destroy you, b) is currently facing tensions with people who aren't you, and c) are potential buyers for weapons and will not immediately turn them against you for reasons a) and b)?

Every being in the galaxy represents a potential customer for a product made by the corporations of the State. And this is very much a galaxy where amount of money is directly proportional to amount of power. In short, eliminating potential buyers does us nothing, when instead finding a nice little war and selling to both sides will quickly give us a large economic stake in the galaxy.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-08-22 18:21:13 UTC
Crew members on my ships are treated very well. I have crew members that have served with me since my earliest days. All tasks that could endanger their lives are done by drones, I've even payed extra to retrofit non Gallente ships to be more crew drone friendly.

In the event one of my ships go boom, some of the insurance goes to the families of crew members who have been injured or killed.

Admittedly I don't have the best conditions on board my ships, these aren't luxury yachts, but for the most part they are slighty above the standards you would expect for the crews of a faction navy.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Cyrus Alabel
Azure Wrath
#71 - 2013-08-22 18:27:42 UTC
John Caligan wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Caroline Grace wrote:
I was already reported 4 times for sexual harassment and inappropriate punishment of a spaceship crew

Pfft. Gallenteans.
This is why the Federation must be destroyed!


This is what I don't understand about you extremists. Why destroy someone who is a) not currently trying to destroy you, b) is currently facing tensions with people who aren't you, and c) are potential buyers for weapons and will not immediately turn them against you for reasons a) and b)?

Every being in the galaxy represents a potential customer for a product made by the corporations of the State. And this is very much a galaxy where amount of money is directly proportional to amount of power. In short, eliminating potential buyers does us nothing, when instead finding a nice little war and selling to both sides will quickly give us a large economic stake in the galaxy.


You forgot to say "drink!"
Cipher Deninard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-08-24 04:12:42 UTC
My crew members put their lives on the line every time we undock. As such they deserve my respect at the very least. I would not say I treat them as friends, but why should they fight for an officer who sees no value in them?

At minimum I do like to remember the names of those on board (which becomes difficult as hell once crews start to go into the hundreds).
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#73 - 2013-08-24 19:11:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
John Caligan wrote:
I've always been a firm believer that a strong captain-crew relationship is what makes a ship run best.

Nope. That's what an XO is for. Crew needs someone for that who actually walks on two legs and sees what they see when they are in the thick of it.

You are needed because the best way known to humanity to co-ordinate a ship is to give it a spirit. You are, essentially, a brain in a pod of goo, virtuals lying to it and convincing it it is a spaceship and implant feeds hijacking your brainpower to do things that would otherwise require a supercomputer. Essentially, you are a glorified automatic targeting and navigation system with motivations of its own.

The crew don't need you to pretend you are one of them and feel all warm and fuzzy by your awesome ability to connect with baseliners. They need you to do your freaking job and let them do theirs.

Else
Dahacai Laguz
Rust Creeps
#74 - 2013-08-24 21:16:03 UTC
I like to throw ISK and gifts at my crew but still for some reason it seems some of them are afraid of me.. There was once this female Sebiestor engineer who vanished on me during a routine visit to a station for some repairs and ammo. I went to great lengths in trying to find her, but never did and I was devastated for a while. Women are so complicated!
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#75 - 2013-08-27 03:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Caroline Grace
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Maybe you could try a bit harder not to invade anyone's private space? Seriously, these are people your ship depends upon. These are people you (or your HR people) have hired. They are still every single one of them a person, with feelings that are important and valid.

If you can't get that through the jacks in your skull, you should stick to flying things you can pilot on your own.

Respect your crew, respect your ship, it's not that difficult.

I respect my crew youngster, there is nothing wrong to sometimes gently slap someone's butt in a friendly way. It's not a real punishment or anything Amarrian-like, you mind. The petitions against my captain's behavior simply comes from people who had to leave my ship / are jealous / full of spiders.


Diana Kim wrote:
Pfft. Gallenteans.
This is why the Federation must be destroyed!

Careful there Kim, or I will put another bounty on your smelly head. According to my records, you young potato, the justice was served rather quickly last time.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#76 - 2013-08-27 05:46:56 UTC
I suppose I have a tendency to wander alone. Somehow, flying a frigate or a destroyer where automation can handle the more mundane tasks leaves me free to enjoy the boundless reaches of the universe and everything within it. A crew hardly finds their stays as entertaining as I do when we make port. They seem to forget the bounties of God's creation and worry about little details like maneuvering-thruster reliability and warp-bubble stability.

I suppose that may be because my crew, when I have occasion to fly a larger ship, are all servants of my family and have been, generation after generation, for often hundreds if not thousands of years. In fact, when we heard the Emancipation was imminent, we took all our servants, in small groups, around Minmatar space in our own little cloaked transports wherever they would like to see. Having seen all of Minmatar space they wanted to see, a mere two left the House of Baracca. One of them left to marry some young thing he had befriended on a station in more neutral territory, the sneaky rascal. He returned with her, though, so I suppose it is all swings and roundabouts.

I suppose the point is that most of my crew would much rather service more conservative (i.e. sedentary) members of the House of Baracca to stay as far away from the sort of rabble I enjoy the company of. As a consequence, I do try to keep my journeys in larger vessels short and to the point. I much prefer not needing to take their feelings into account, and they would much rather leave me to my own devices. Most of them are simply too sophisticated and refined to enjoy non-traditional recreation among mixed company.

As a favor to mother, I also must turn away any attentions our servants of fairer sex might offer. I suppose I can understand her point of view. The pods are technically built for one and I've nearly lost more than one ship in my career by not paying strict attention to where I'm going.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Dionisius
Soul Drinkers
#77 - 2013-08-27 14:05:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Dionisius
Well my crews are all treated with respect in equal measure, from gun gangers to bridge personell and to help maintain this conditions i do not allow a single rookie in my ships.

All crew members are proven combat vets, or must have some recomendation in order to have their application considered.

All crew are duty bound to obey their Supervisors and Crew Chiefs and while in transit combat , evac, firefighting and damage control drills are performed, both to keep the crews sharp and to combat space fatigue or too keep their minds from shady business.

Relationships are discouraged, not forbiden, but the last thing i want besides a cordial work atmosphere in the ship are lover quarrels and fighting among ship crew members and tactical teams.

Monthly fee is payed on time, bonuses are given for individuals or teams that perform exceptionally , either in combat, doing their regular jobs or for people that come out with new ideias or concepts to inovate work methods or life on board.


Station or Planet leaves are also granted, when possible on a regular basis and extended payment is available when the crew is taken in longer combat operations.

Now some of you have expressed the point that we are immortals and should be above such petty concerns as to the fate of our crewmen ( and women ) when the ship has to be evacuated or is destroyed but on the other hand an experienced crew is hard to come by these days, and even harder to train up to standards, plus they put their lives on the line for them and for us so i find it only natural that when things go south an effort must be made in order to recover as much human and material assets as possible.
Dahacai Laguz
Rust Creeps
#78 - 2013-08-27 18:49:20 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Maybe you could try a bit harder not to invade anyone's private space? Seriously, these are people your ship depends upon. These are people you (or your HR people) have hired. They are still every single one of them a person, with feelings that are important and valid.

If you can't get that through the jacks in your skull, you should stick to flying things you can pilot on your own.

Respect your crew, respect your ship, it's not that difficult.

I respect my crew youngster, there is nothing wrong to sometimes gently slap someone's butt in a friendly way. It's not a real punishment or anything Amarrian-like, you mind. The petitions against my captain's behavior simply comes from people who had to leave my ship / are jealous / full of spiders.


Well said, Ms. Grace. And there's nothing wrong with loving your crew either. If things go haywire enough, me and my crew all die. It's romantic.. living and dying together, the fiery wreck and and its dead inhabitants entwined to each other, floating in cold space.. glorious!
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#79 - 2013-08-27 18:57:40 UTC
I don't treat my crew. I operate with them and they do EXACTLY what i instruct because if they don't they'll die. They'll die anyway of course given my profession but I do try to limit that as much as possible.

Not for the crew of course, it's to save on bills and frankly replacing crew is a pain in the **** when you have a good one.

In fact I've never had a ship fail me because of my crew thinking about it, funny that. I'm the immortal and ship loss is completely my fault, I guess they must be real happy with that when they board our ships aye?



Nihilus Matsukaze
Mandalorian Confederacy
#80 - 2013-08-28 04:12:35 UTC
Kourdus wrote:
Ah, a moment of free time, and an interesting discussion.

I'd like to ask the Caldari contingent their thoughts on Automation. and by Automation, I mean Automaton workers, maintenance Drones, I suppose you would call them, maintaining your systems inflight, rather than Human Crews.

I intend to look into this further in the future, as an alternative to risking Caldari lives, whose talents can be put to use elsewhere. I still intend to employ sizable station-based human maintenance crews, of course.






Only one of my ships uses a "skeleton crew" if you will, just enough for engines to burn and electronics to be supervised...


I took a Hurricane into service , and made it suitable for a small crew to assist with specific functions, beyond that the ship runs itself.

As for automatons, I'd say our Blackbird-class ship would be nice, since electronic warfare only needs equipment, really.