Jita Park Speakers Corner

Regarding the upcoming planned caldari ice interdiction planned by CFC

http://themittani.com/news/cfc-announces-caldari-ice-interdiction

I'd like to highlight the final paragraph as why you need to seriously look into your concord mechanics.

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A lot of the new guys will have no idea that highsec is even a viably fun place. The truth is that it's one of the most entertaining parts of EVE if you're a ganker. Case in point, this kill had NC. corps at each others' throats for a good while. The tears you gather are simply wonderful. Most interestingly, judicious use of instawarps and warpins means you can continue ganking well past -5 security status and on down through -10.

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Can someone explain to be how this isn't abusing loopholes in EVE mechanics to get around security status and not an outright exploit?

I watched this activity first hand in Ogoten a few weeks back, not once but SEVEN times a fleet of suicide gankers all below -5 were able to insta warp cata fleets from the station, suicide gank a target of choice, and pull it off before concord could get there.

Which makes me ask what is the bloody point of even having security status mechanics in the first place if players can exploit (and it is one!) ways around it to continue to act with impunity, and zero consequence for their actions!

This is a broken system, what will it take for CCP to address it.

Let's be clear about one thing, if i'm ganked by someone above -5, who could act without insta concord spawns i'm all for that, it's part of the actual game. I faced the consequences for not paying attention or just bad luck.

CFC ganking the caldari ice fields? I'll be the first to say "Welcome to EVE." right until they hit the -5 line, then you've crossed the line from actual gameplay into rulebreaking.

Consequences should be a two way street, why am I facing the loss of a ship but the criminal continues to be able to act in high sec, dock, access gates, get a new ship, and continue to gank with no consequences on his end?

The fix is a bloody simple one too, you want people to be pirates then make them actual pirates. Why the heck would a high sec station let someone at -10 even dock? Limit them to low sec stations for ships and supplies if they want to go that route, make them face some real consequences for those actions instead the laughable system we have now.

CCP / CSM it's time to do something about this, you do not have PVP in EVE. Not the kind you hope for anyway aside from the occasional large battle recently, what you have is a game that may as well be called "ganker online" as it seems like everything you do (ore site changes, why don't you just put an even bigger bullseye on those of us that wanted to venture into low sec with some protection and now don't even have that!) seems to favor a playstyle that just rewards the lowest common denominator of childish pvp ganker. Or just reduces low sec to nothing but gate camps, and the rule of "He with the most smartbombs and logi ships to tank the gate guns wins." All the while this unfairly punishes those of us who try to play a game by the rules. You don't have a sandbox, you have a schoolyard playground where the biggest bully is able to do whatever he wants (see again the upcoming ice intervention and CFC admitting they can break the rules to keep it going) And those in charge seem all to happy to turn a blind eye to it, after all negative press is still press right?

And frankly trying to work around it is getting pretty old,

Hey not to ruin CFCs day or nothing...

Hire bounty hunters to camp the gates and kill these inbound -6 through -10s Just by tackling them as they enter the gate and let concord do the work? Or even better and counter intuitively ...

Grow a pair and get a tackle frig with decent scan res and do it yourself.

You'd have all of concord helping you right?

That could be a long list of very easy kills man.

Just a thought.. I'm new here ...probably wrong.

Anyone can shoot at -10s with no penalty.

If these gankers are facing "zero consequences" it's because you choose not to inflict them on those who have been declared literally outlaws.

See, there are two sets of rules here

i. The actual rules that apply in the game in reality [NOT BROKEN]

ii. The imaginary rules that you are trying to apply here but that don't in fact exist [BROKEN]

Sadly, CCP will only enforce.... well look, you see where this is going, right?

"please remove suicide ganking CCP, nobody told me this game was challenging in any way"

Suicide ganking is called suicide for a reason, they don't get away with it and 90% of the time lose ships, while definitely the concord system is stupid on some levels (I had a fleet mate get Concorded cause he shot a can in his harbinger on a mission we were on) the sec status system works fine as is, suicide ganking is a natural risk of eve, as soon as you undock from station you consent to pvp.

Not to nitpick... but they lose their ships 100% of the time (I should know)... and they don't get any insurance for their loss.
Saving a ship (in any way) from CONCORD's wrath is actually classed as an exploit.

If CCP wanted to make a change, they could actually enforce the bits about -10s not able to enter 1.0 space, etc. Or allow them to enter in pods like currently, but don't allow them to board a ship. That would fuel the tags for sec a bit more than currently, because as has been pointed out, there's little reason for actual gankers to care about their status.

Top guy on the E-Uni kill-board the month that the new aggression mechanics went in was a guy who sat in Amarr shooting Suspects and -10s. In-fact some of his biggest kills were -10 pods (pretty sure I remember him getting a guy with full Slave set).

If you have a fleet of catalysts warping to you then hire a guy with a fast-locking Battlecruiser to watch your backs. Hell some would probably do it just for the fun of it.

Hell, these are Gank Catalysts. Moving around with an AB fit will probably throw off their warp-in point enough that you can react at least a little.

Yup, hells if the OP had posted in Crime and Punishment saying there were -10s to gank and posted a system he'd have probably solved his own problem by now!

BTW, hope the summit is going well!