Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't really care about the specifics, I just want to know what the defined "role" is suppose to be. The role of "PvE salvage while you go" battleship needs to die, but I would like to know what the role is.

You forgot 'Sensor strength'

Wait a minute fellas, marauders are pve ships. they are designed exclusively to be good at pve and bad at pvp. Hence the sensor strength.

Isn't what you want another class of T2 battleship for pvp?

But what would that look like? Mega-tanking monsters with huge dps, multi-neuts and a sensor strength of 50? It's way too OP.

Black ops is a nice idea but the ships themselves are too weak. Perhaps they need to be pimped a bit, or maybe able to warp cloaked...

While I agree in principle with the idea of battleships with extra abilities/strengths from their T2 status, I can't think of anything offhand that does not either break the game or step on the toes of faction/pirate battleships.

This is probably why the design team has not offered anything.

I think you're right. It's fair to say that these changes would improve the PVE experience in a marauder:

1. increase tractor range and speed to compete with the noctis
2. give a salvage bonus
3. allow pilots to accept and complete missions remotely, or run multiple missions for a single agent.

Then the marauder could really, "go for long periods behind enemy lines" - provided those enemies were NPCs...

Newp, as much as I mission run. PVE Specific Ships in a highly Based PVP game EVE... Everyone Vs Everyone... Needs to have all hulls capable fairly in all forms, between PVP and PVE. Not one Role specific into just PVE. If it Carries a Weapon, it should have a chance to Defend itself and not just be Insta-Jammed by a noob ship with a t1 ECM. Eve is supposed to be the Sandbox Game. Let the ships be Sandbox and not doomed in one field. It's a T2 Battleship, It should be Superior in the majority of the ways Vs Tech 1. That or Take it from a Marauder Role.. And Put it as an ORE ship and a low grade Salvage Creator/Collector. Another thing is, As more NPC's Constantly Jam, which did not happen at the Marauders Inception, The Low Sensor Strength is now a hinderance On the Marauders.

Well, one thing they could do to make them more popular as a choice for PVE is to make the NOT vulnerable to the one type of EW that their preferred target NPC race uses.

Or possibly Marauders aren't part of 1.1 so they aren't posting any thoughts on them till after 1.1 releases so they can concentrate on one feedback area at a time.... Just possibly :).
Personally I would be happy if the silly sensor strength got fixed and that was all. It doesn't need a huge amount, just to be the same as T1 BS, rather than more like a T1 frigate. And proper T2 Resists wouldn't go amiss. After that, they are in a fairly good place.
The Tractor beam/Salvage is a bit anaemic next to Pirate BS + Noctis combo, but is an interesting Niche.
The other thing that could be interesting off the top of my head would be a remote rep bonus. Weaker than a real Logi, but would allow them to be more useful in PvP as a spider tanking BS gang with a bit of local rep also.

While you have valid points it would do less to nothing to PVE experience and everything to mission running experience.

I would like them to be more stronger in buffer/resist tank to bridge to some extent ridiculous strategic cruiser resist profile,they are after all elite ships of sort much like strat cruiser are or pirate ships,they simply should have more staying power than burst tank marauders.

And that is pretty much all that marauders are lazy oversize shield/armor booster with mediocre everything with engine strapped to them.

If you look at say pirate ships they are mighty awesome in pvp and pve what they do good in one thing do good in other as well they are built for pvp and just by that they are better in pve too.

Same goes to strat cruisers built for pvp excellent in pve as well ...missions wh incursions name it they will do/excell in it same as pirate ships.

But when it come to Marauders lazy oversize shield/armor booster with mediocre everything is their top achievement if you put them in god forbid PVE(let alone pvp) environment that actually have dps and tank to boot you will find them downgrade from mediocre to ball sucking bad,and no amount of tractor beam boost will help there.

And my uneducated conclusion is simple while for example pirate/T3 ships are built for pvp and that trickled down to pve nicely Marauders are not built for PVP or PVE they are carebear class and anything stronger than decade old AI rotting at the bottom of eve code will present it self as problem to them.

Time and eve it self overgrown them.

If by coma-inducing sessions you mean pve missions where you salvage everything then yes. That is what these ships are specifically and deliberately designed for. The designed team deliberately nerfed the sensor strength to actively discourage their use in PVP.

If you want to use PVE ships like marauders, orcas, rorquals, ventures, miners and industrials in PVP (yes I have done all these), then you have to accept some limitations. It's like using a Boeing 777 as an interceptor - not going to work very well (although actually the rorqual is epic in fleet pvp...)

If you want new T2 PVP battleships, that's another conversation but as mentioned above, you don't have to add very much to a T1 battleship to make it totally OP.

Example: imagine a T2 hyperion with:
T2 armour resists
double cap recharge rate

What you would have would be a ship that can perma-tank 4000dps while pushing out 1500dps for 15 minutes.

4000dps for 15 minutes works out to... 3.8 MILLION effective hitpoints. i.e. the same as a faction-pimped carrier.

It would just be too OP.

I agree that I'd like to see some more T2 options in battleships, but the dev team will need to be *really* careful with it.

What is up with all the impatience and calling CCP Fozzie "afraid"?