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Some of those links, upon further inspection, are likely wardecs. Most of those links are suicide ganks, especially the "combat ships", which were blinged out mission runners often killed in 0.8.


EvE Kill's list of Orca Kills this month.
From that list, the following are suicide orca ganks... and that's just in the last couple days...
Orca Gank 1
Orca Gank 2
Orca Gank 3
Orca Gank 4

These Orca's have more EHP than your ship....



The truth is EFT dps never matches the real dps of a vessel, and is an upper-end estimate. If they had a poor warp in, they may be out of range for several volleys. If someone shot early, then concord comes quicker. If they didn't prime concord, it arrives 6s earlier. If they were under skilled, didn't overheat, etc, etc, etc. Implants, Fleet boosts, heat, and logistics drones also improve your tank quite a bit (up to 25%). There are several nuances that allowed you to survive, that aren't always implemented by the average pilot. Without boosts, without logistics drones, without the implants, it would have been much closer. Furthermore, they weren't ganking you for profit if they had 7 t2 fit catalysts, but for another reason.

What are you doing that you need to max tank your ship? There is a reason they sent 7 t2 catalysts to gank you, and truthfully, figuring out why they did that, and taking steps to not be a target, will improve your ship's suitability far more than your fit!

Wardecs should be counted as neutralizing a war target not a gank but I do understand the point. However, not only were those particular Orcas completely untanked, some were fit in such a rediculous manner that the pilots were asking for it. With an appropriate tank, IE resistance amps, damage controls, and hull reinforcements, it would have taken a great deal more. Especially if the pilot had defensive gang links, implants, defensive riggings and anything even resembling a worth while shield fitting. None of which were present.

Killing someone tanked is a great deal more difficult. I haven't really seen any kills presented so far that can't be chawked up to straight overkill and numbers. Nothing special. The pilots got caught slipping because of either inexperience or wardecs, neither of which is an excuse.



They were elite, I assure you.



Much closer your right, but not neccisarily a kill.



I agree. And I've earned it.

*snort.. snickers*

yay I got a nickname

Not that expensive rigs make a ship more attractive to gank

Medium Rigs for Mining Barges are now considered expensive bling ?

people gank for profit? We never have, if it is gankable we will gank it. And if we make a profit from the salvage then bonus.

... sort of makes me nostalgic for the early days when rigs came in one size.

I guess not.

This thread is full of garbage and I'm tired of seeing it.
- Mackinaws don't belong in high-sec. They're merely tanky enough to survive low/null rats and are not meant to tank a player gank.
- Flying Procurers and Skiffs makes you less attractive for ganks, but being off the beaten path does so much more.
- The better gankers will gank your barge AND your pod. Expensive fitting implants are a TERRIBLE option and clone costs ARE a loss.
- If you cannot avoid AFK mining, I suggest doing your AFK mining on a dumpster alpha clone no impant alt dedicated to mining in a Retriever.
- Lots of people need to tank their mind instead of their ship. Provoking gankers to go out of their way to gank you is not efficient.
- Any Orca fit with a Cargo Expander is a BAD fit. It's just too much of a EHP loss to justify.
- You don't need T2 Rigs on any barge or exhumer unless you're trying to fit a 10MN Digital to your Skiff-racer.
- I wish people would stop misusing EFT.

I have difficulty understanding the overemphasized exaggeration of his barges containing faction or deadspace.

3/18, that's three out of the first 18 of his fits on the first page alone contain a medium 'canyon' shield, the other 15 are actually really good tanks in my opinion. I can't see anything so expensive or unreasonable with them, that it would raise an eyebrow to anyone. But that is never even brought up. However, I did see 1 in this entire thread that could be considered over the top. And that was his 'Best Mack you will ever own' I woulden't go that far, however, he did. It would be an impressive ship, but I don't think deadspace belongs on a barge, but no one understands what optional means apparently, where you can actually scan down the list until you find one that is affordable and suitable for your needs and the cost is suitable, which is most of them.

The implants are not expensive. A mack cost anywhere from 180 to 200mil just for the ship, if you afford that, then making and buying 2 implants at 20 to 25mil each is childs play, furthermore, they not only benefit the barge but any combat ship (any ship at all) that a pilot flys because it augments their perception, intelligence, capcitor, powergrid, and cpu with a bonus if the set is complete, that isen't a waste of money, it helps performance and efficiency for all ships a pilot owns and can make for much tighter fits on all other ships.

A large majority of the fits in this thread do not require those implants, the first 3 fits in the first post do not require implants. Citing 'the perfect mackinaw' as a reason why the entire thread is invalid is autistic. However, once again, this thread was constructed like a menu at a restaurant, you can pick what you want and don't have to order the most expensive thing possible. Only a fool would do that when they can't afford it and only a fool woulden't be able to pick one of similar defense and less value. I like them all, but I picked one that was inexpensive and able to take on a 7 catalyst gank team with T2 gear, the only thing that is garbage, is what i'm being told that they don't work, don't protect anyone against that many, and to just stay in a procuror. The answer is no.



1.) No, he doesen't he used it a hand full of times on a fraction of the fits.
2.) He often mentions T2 rigs as a choice, not a requirement.
3.) No, he doesen't require them, only on certain fits, which you can choose off the menu. See above for implants.

tl:dr? Read more.