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Kill the raven navy issue

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#21 - 2013-08-18 14:37:26 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Well perhaps.. but the main point of the thread and main bulk of my inital post is that CCP heavily favour missile ships over the gun ships.. i'll grant you the ferox is a decent blaster boat but it is still underwhelming and there are multiple better options on the gallente side of blaster ships... caldari lack blaster options bottom line which is the main point of the thread is caldari need more gunships and less missile ships which there are plenty of now.

Caldari has always been the race with the most missile ships. This is a feature and not an issue. You do not see anyone complaining about the blue background images of the Caldari ships either, because it too is a feature of the Caldari race. I am sure you get a short description of each race when you select your character and start your skill training for the first time. If anything then one would have chosen the wrong race, but overall are missile ships not over-represented. You then do not see Gallente pilots complaining about not having any missile and laser ships. The issue the OP has got simply does not occur to most pilots.


the gallente comment makes no sense at all besides on the T2 level of roden shipyards.... gallente have never had laser ships or proper missile focused ships either but caldari do have and always had Hybrid focused ships.

And considering Amarr only ever had 1 main drone based hull but now have lots of drone focused ships ..
Minmatar have many more missile ships now than before... including fleet ships getting missile representation

So why can't caldari have a little more focus on improving what they already have and adding a few more to give better representation and options on the Hybrid side of their ships???

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Whitehound
#22 - 2013-08-18 15:09:27 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
So why can't caldari have a little more focus on improving what they already have and adding a few more to give better representation and options on the Hybrid side of their ships???

Because it would create only more turret ships at this point. Of course can you ask for it, but at the same time could one ask for a Gallente laser ship or a Caldari drone boat. If you then count the pirate ships in do you actually get the Rattlesnake, which is a missile and drone boat, and the other three are again all turret ships.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-08-18 15:16:22 UTC
Before we get tier 3 faction BS, I want faction dreads <3 or maybe even faction carriers that carry more ships since well..... the SUPER CARRIER actually does not carry, and the previously named "mothership" did not either. In other words, make me a bigger ship transporter :X
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#24 - 2013-08-18 15:16:30 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
So why can't caldari have a little more focus on improving what they already have and adding a few more to give better representation and options on the Hybrid side of their ships???

Because it would create only more turret ships at this point. Of course can you ask for it, but at the same time could one ask for a Gallente laser ship or a Caldari drone boat. If you then count the pirate ships in do you actually get the Rattlesnake, which is a missile and drone boat, and the other three are again all turret ships.


WFT !! is with this gallente laser obsession it makes no sense where talking about adding/improving something that already exist's

Caldari - Hybrids/missiles -Navy are all missiles/ no Hybrids
Gallente - Hybrids/drones - Navy have mix of the two
Amarr- lasers/drones - Navy are only lasers/ no drones
Minmatar - projectiles/missiles - Fleet has a mix

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Whitehound
#25 - 2013-08-18 16:11:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Harvey James wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
So why can't caldari have a little more focus on improving what they already have and adding a few more to give better representation and options on the Hybrid side of their ships???

Because it would create only more turret ships at this point. Of course can you ask for it, but at the same time could one ask for a Gallente laser ship or a Caldari drone boat. If you then count the pirate ships in do you actually get the Rattlesnake, which is a missile and drone boat, and the other three are again all turret ships.


WFT !! is with this gallente laser obsession it makes no sense where talking about adding/improving something that already exist's

Caldari - Hybrids/missiles -Navy are all missiles/ no Hybrids
Gallente - Hybrids/drones - Navy have mix of the two
Amarr- lasers/drones - Navy are only lasers/ no drones
Minmatar - projectiles/missiles - Fleet has a mix


Of course are lasers on Gallente a stupid idea Roll, but so is killing the Raven NI as a missile boat. It is like asking to turn the Machariel into a missile boat.

Fit guns onto a Scorpion NI, ask for more turret hardpoints for it instead, or fly Gallente.

For the side topic of making a navy version of the Rokh is there little to say, but that we are very unlikely to get a third faction BS any time soon. We will first see faction destroyers, maybe a second faction frigate or a third cruiser for the races.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Johnson Oramara
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-18 17:43:18 UTC
I wouldn't mind seeing the current CNR go away... no body would miss it.
My problem with the missile ships are that they all perform extremely similarly so ccp has to artificially gimp them... Evil

With turret ships it actually matters which hull will you choose.
Kara Corvinus
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-08-18 22:45:05 UTC
Johnson Oramara wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing the current CNR go away... no body would miss it.
My problem with the missile ships are that they all perform extremely similarly so ccp has to artificially gimp them... Evil

With turret ships it actually matters which hull will you choose.


someone gets it.
Vassal Zeren
Children of Zarathustra
#28 - 2013-08-19 04:11:03 UTC
Johnson Oramara wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing the current CNR go away... no body would miss it.
My problem with the missile ships are that they all perform extremely similarly so ccp has to artificially gimp them... Evil

With turret ships it actually matters which hull will you choose.


WTH? Are you completely oblivious to EVE history? That is like THE navy issue BS, up there with the Navy Mega. Tons of people use CNR's.

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#29 - 2013-08-19 04:52:27 UTC
Johnson Oramara wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing the current CNR go away... no body would miss it.
My problem with the missile ships are that they all perform extremely similarly so ccp has to artificially gimp them... Evil

With turret ships it actually matters which hull will you choose.



kind of on the fence abuot this but....this could have me leaning more to the gun side.



Someone said above well train gallente. I am eyeing that in eft (jsut really a question of do I do bs 5....already there a t 4 with a pretty much done sub cap x-train all 4 races). It would be nice to have the gallente debates of hyp v mega v kronos v vindi in the caldari family though even if only between 2 ships.


Golem vs CNR is academic at this point. I take one faster smaller ship low sig and put it way the hell out and there goes the explosion radius vs tp debate out the window. TP in fall off, radius on a hard to hit target and they both suck ass.

Gun side this gets more fun for gallente. Hyp has damage no tracking. Will it hit hard enough when it hits in falloff to be of use. Will kronos/vindi with damage and tracking do better. Or will the mega (navy or t1) be the dark horse contender with ROF and tracking. its not hitting as hard...but its spewing lots of rounds so even though less damage they are coming in fast.

Be nice if caldari had this. CCP opened this can of worms with naga. has 425 II' rails? check. HAs 425 IIs rails that hit hard? check. Makes you wish rokh could do the same thing? check lol.



I think op's issue is he jsut hit a sore spot. CNR a loved ship. before cruise buff...it was better than golem. Post buff golems aren't sold at 800-900 anymore so its their cheap option.


Kara Corvinus
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-08-19 22:06:02 UTC
Vassal Zeren wrote:
Johnson Oramara wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing the current CNR go away... no body would miss it.
My problem with the missile ships are that they all perform extremely similarly so ccp has to artificially gimp them... Evil

With turret ships it actually matters which hull will you choose.


WTH? Are you completely oblivious to EVE history? That is like THE navy issue BS, up there with the Navy Mega. Tons of people use CNR's.


but scorp ni looks more sexy.
stoicfaux
#31 - 2013-08-19 22:39:56 UTC
Kara Corvinus wrote:

The rokh navy issue - gun boat.

Is this is a "i want a ni rokh" thread ? - yes

but isn't my argument solid enough to justify it? :P

Horrible, horrible, idea. Think about it. What would RNI or CNR refer to? The Raven or the Rokh?



Next time *think* before poasting.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#32 - 2013-08-19 23:03:40 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Kara Corvinus wrote:

The rokh navy issue - gun boat.

Is this is a "i want a ni rokh" thread ? - yes

but isn't my argument solid enough to justify it? :P

Horrible, horrible, idea. Think about it. What would RNI or CNR refer to? The Raven or the Rokh?



Next time *think* before poasting.



SFI, Scythe or Stabber Fleet Issue? :P

My Condor costs less than that module!

Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#33 - 2013-08-19 23:18:50 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Kara Corvinus wrote:

The rokh navy issue - gun boat.

Is this is a "i want a ni rokh" thread ? - yes

but isn't my argument solid enough to justify it? :P

Horrible, horrible, idea. Think about it. What would RNI or CNR refer to? The Raven or the Rokh?



Next time *think* before poasting.



SFI, Scythe or Stabber Fleet Issue? :P


Also no one calls it RNI its normally CNR

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Kara Corvinus
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-08-20 00:08:34 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Kara Corvinus wrote:

The rokh navy issue - gun boat.

Is this is a "i want a ni rokh" thread ? - yes

but isn't my argument solid enough to justify it? :P

Horrible, horrible, idea. Think about it. What would RNI or CNR refer to? The Raven or the Rokh?



Next time *think* before poasting.




1st of all, there is no rokh navy issue in game currently, so the rni can only mean raven.

2ndly i proposed to get rid of the RNI and get the rokh ni instead, so RNI would be a no brainer.

Next time *think* before posting.
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#35 - 2013-08-20 02:12:57 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Kara Corvinus wrote:

The rokh navy issue - gun boat.

Is this is a "i want a ni rokh" thread ? - yes

but isn't my argument solid enough to justify it? :P

Horrible, horrible, idea. Think about it. What would RNI or CNR refer to? The Raven or the Rokh?



Next time *think* before poasting.



SFI, Scythe or Stabber Fleet Issue? :P



people would have to fly scythes in numbers to get confused.

Well that and I was always partial to flabber (fleet stabber).


Ken 1138
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-08-20 05:30:52 UTC
Kara Corvinus wrote:
Obvious suggestion :

The rokh navy issue - gun boat.

Is this is a "i want a ni rokh" thread ? - yes

but isn't my argument solid enough to justify it? :P


NI Rokh, DROOL MODE ACTIVATED
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#37 - 2013-08-21 16:11:14 UTC
Since the SNI's role is already radically different than the regular Scorpion's, why not just change the SNI to a tanky gun boat instead of tanky missile boat?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-08-21 16:15:08 UTC
why not have both?

I should buy an Ishtar.

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